Top fighters out of every country

[frankenfrank]

unlike you buddy I actually know boxing, am on here pretty much for every meaningful fight posting while watching the fight live, thing is the only one here rambling on like an ignorant retard is you , if the only thing you base as being a great fighter is durability then fuck me you must have Tommy Hearns at the bottom of the barrel, Bradley/Pacquiao decision was just as bad as Whitaker/Ramirez I, if anything less so because at least Bradley was competitive with Manny, Ramirez at no point was competitive against the man who boxed circles around him and made him look like an amateur or as you put it a cab driver

So u R somewhat more than just a casual fan , a wrong choice of words on my part , u r a follower of d sport . Still there's a difference between following d sport , which i believe u do more than i , and knowing its history since b4 u started following . Watching every "fab 4" fight 3 times doesn't make even a mediocre historian out of 1 , just like skipping their majority due 2 knowing d facts behind them doesn't reduce 1 2 being a mediocre historian of d sport . Understand ?
Bradley was competitive with Manny , yes . But avoiding contact at all cost (including not landing 1's punches) is not making d other 1 looking like n amateur . Arguably Whitaker wasn't competitive against Ramirez . D sport is not just about not getting hit , it's also about hitting , which Whitaker did not do more than getting hit . Whitaker hadn't "boxed circles" , he fled in all sorts of ways and did no damage while doing so .
Regarding Hearns , i rank him somewhere near where i rank Barkley , slightly below Robbie Sims , Michael Nunn and Sumbu Kalambay i guess .

[TitoFan]

unlike you buddy I actually know boxing, am on here pretty much for every meaningful fight posting while watching the fight live, thing is the only one here rambling on like an ignorant retard is you , if the only thing you base as being a great fighter is durability then fuck me you must have Tommy Hearns at the bottom of the barrel, Bradley/Pacquiao decision was just as bad as Whitaker/Ramirez I, if anything less so because at least Bradley was competitive with Manny, Ramirez at no point was competitive against the man who boxed circles around him and made him look like an amateur or as you put it a cab driver

So u R somewhat more than just a casual fan , a wrong choice of words on my part , u r a follower of d sport . Still there's a difference between following d sport , which i believe u do more than i , and knowing its history since b4 u started following . Watching every "fab 4" fight 3 times doesn't make even a mediocre historian out of 1 , just like skipping their majority due 2 knowing d facts behind them doesn't reduce 1 2 being a mediocre historian of d sport . Understand ?
Bradley was competitive with Manny , yes . But avoiding contact at all cost (including not landing 1's punches) is not making d other 1 looking like n amateur . Arguably Whitaker wasn't competitive against Ramirez . D sport is not just about not getting hit , it's also about hitting , which Whitaker did not do more than getting hit . Whitaker hadn't "boxed circles" , he fled in all sorts of ways and did no damage while doing so .
Regarding Hearns , i rank him somewhere near where i rank Barkley , slightly below Robbie Sims , Michael Nunn and Sumbu Kalambay i guess .

Well that just does it!!! The guy's a freaking genius!
He ranks Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns below the great Robbie Sims.

Robbie Sims' highlights:

• Lifetime 38-10-2 record.
• Lost to Bobby Czyz.
• Beat a young Iran Barkley (7-1) in 1984.
• Beat an over-the-hill Roberto Duran (79-6) in 1986.
• Toward the end of his career, he fought the following notables:
  
  • Robert "Vindaloo" Curry (19-29)
  • Dennis "The Menace" Johnson (14-19)
  • Keheven Johnson (23-29-2)

How in the world can ANYONE dispute this genius' rankings??

Oh wait..... I forgot...... Sims was the half-brother of "Marvelous Marvin Hagler". And we all know what Hagler did to Hearns. Ergo, Sims must be ranked above Hearns. The genius of it all!!

[THE THIRD MAN]

unlike you buddy I actually know boxing, am on here pretty much for every meaningful fight posting while watching the fight live, thing is the only one here rambling on like an ignorant retard is you , if the only thing you base as being a great fighter is durability then fuck me you must have Tommy Hearns at the bottom of the barrel, Bradley/Pacquiao decision was just as bad as Whitaker/Ramirez I, if anything less so because at least Bradley was competitive with Manny, Ramirez at no point was competitive against the man who boxed circles around him and made him look like an amateur or as you put it a cab driver

So u R somewhat more than just a casual fan , a wrong choice of words on my part , u r a follower of d sport . Still there's a difference between following d sport , which i believe u do more than i , and knowing its history since b4 u started following . Watching every "fab 4" fight 3 times doesn't make even a mediocre historian out of 1 , just like skipping their majority due 2 knowing d facts behind them doesn't reduce 1 2 being a mediocre historian of d sport . Understand ?
Bradley was competitive with Manny , yes . But avoiding contact at all cost (including not landing 1's punches) is not making d other 1 looking like n amateur . Arguably Whitaker wasn't competitive against Ramirez . D sport is not just about not getting hit , it's also about hitting , which Whitaker did not do more than getting hit . Whitaker hadn't "boxed circles" , he fled in all sorts of ways and did no damage while doing so .
Regarding Hearns , i rank him somewhere near where i rank Barkley , slightly below Robbie Sims , Michael Nunn and Sumbu Kalambay i guess .

You have got to stop sniffing the Ajax!

[Spicoli]

Honestly man, and everyones entitled to an opinion, but as they say across the pond you've lost the plot. You strike me as someone who literally keeps Boxrec as a screen saver and I'm not sure you have seen even half of the guys you so flippingly label as bums and no bodies. Watch Ohashi fight or Sorjaturong fight and tell me their bums. Not knowing a fighter and not recognizing a name are very different. I too wanted a Lopez "dream match" sooner and history is littered with guys you wanted to move up. Carbajal and Lopez were two that missed each other not from avoidance but the sport playing through as it were. Finito had yet to even make his U.S audience debut by the time Michael had beaten and then lose to Gonzalez and frankly peak. Up until that point Lt Fly and Minimum were very much in the same boat. They were indeed the adopted red headed step child of boxing and still to this day get scoffed at. Carbajal AND Lopez did nothing but give it a shot in he arm and demand over due respect in the lower weights. Wide speculation as you say is based on the history and style, ability, skill fighters have displayed and would work far better to boost your case than scanning through some stat sheet records and fast forwarding over you tube. I mean why didn't a Lopez "challenge" a Melchor Cob Castro Dear God man, thats just winging it. To think a Gonzalez, God rest his soul, should rank higher than the calibur and skill of a Lopez based on simply being durable, lasting the rounds albeit in a losing effort to some and springing an upset is just loony tunes bro. For fuck sakes your describing half the journeymen in the sport. What next, Iran Barkely top 10-15? How about an Oliver McCall? You can think what you want bud, keep keeping on, but the way you generalize and dismiss fighters is unfortunate and short sighted.

Those i label as bums and nobodies i indeed haven't seen because i usually don't have interest at watching those . I watched hundreds of fights , never fast 4warding and dismissing highlights and partial fights almost every time along deeply browsing boxrec , PPL's posts , some interviews read and a few interviews watched and a few articles as well .
JCGonzalez not only lasted d rounds but also won decisions against Glen Johnson and Dariusz Michalczewski (in Germany (!!) nonetheless) .
RLopez never foght anybody near that level . Then i did not repeat d names of d men JCGonzalez fought overall which is quite n impressing list .
It's Chris Eubanks who listed Barkley in his top 10 p4p of all times , not I . I will b much less eccentric in this 1 and just state that Barkley won ("(respected) world") titles @ 3 consecutive weights : 160 , 168 , 175 . Should i even start going through his list of wins and list of fought opponents overall ? Barkley is universes above RLopez in terms of warriorness , and by just d same Xtent more tested and proven , even if I don't have him in my top 70 of all times , nor even d top 40 of since 1980 . Wherever I have Barkley I have Lopez lower .
"Skill" means shit when it's untested and unproven . I can shadowbox beautifully . Maybe U all start ranking me ahead of Lopez .
Oliver McCall was a great fighter . A world champion who really beat d #1 in order 2 become a world champion , but it doesn't stop there . His "loss" 2 Lewis doesn't mean even shit , because McCall was just not in a condition 2 fight , he signed d fight while still in a rehabilitation institute and had withdrawal syndrome while in d ring and not enough time 2 train , and was not given d appropriate sparing partners . And then Lewis is not his only big win , Akinwande , Maskaev , Bruce Seldon and then Francesco Damiani come 2 mind , and a decision win over Jesse Fegusson , a younger , better fresher Jesse Fergusson than d 1 who beat Ray Mercer twice and James Douglas once , stopped Reggie Gross and was robbed against Larry Holmes . I also doubt d validity of McCall's decision losses 2 both Tony Tucker and Orlin Norris . U certainly haven't done your homework and demonstrate d knowledge of a casual , limited only 2d highest profile fights and d popular consensus . And u mentioned short sightedness . Your posts in this thread r d epitome of short sightedness among other things .

So my man, you rag on fighters and ranked challengers you have never seen actually fight in regards to a hof'r and a guy you dimiss but then use a Jesse fuckin Fergusson and Akinwande to legitimize a "great fighter" in Oliver McCall. Point of a McCall, Barkley and Gonzalez is all guys of that nature have a few suprises, but also let downs. Don't you see the total foley in what you speak? You can watch boxers box to see great talent or a worthy fighter but it doesn't jump off of pages or chat rooms by itself. I can say pretty safely I've spent more years watching fighters begin, peak and end than the years you have collectivly spent Googling and "browsin boxrec" to judge fighters you really cannot.

[IamInuit]

On the QUESTION at hand. A more subjective topic does not exist.

Anyway I'll play and start off with my own country and then the rest of the continent as an exercise in futility.

Top 10

Canada:
Langford
Dixon
Lewis. If I were to include him.
McClarnin came here as a toddler from Ireland.
Brouillard
Durelle
Burns
Chuvalo
Smith
Delaney

U.S.:
Greb
Robinson
Armstrong
Gans
Ali
Louis
Charles
Burley
Pep
Ketchel

Mex:
Zarate
Sanchez
Canto
Olivares
Saldivar
Lopez
Azteca
Morales
Marquez
Mab

[frankenfrank]

Well that just does it!!! The guy's a freaking genius!
He ranks Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns below the great Robbie Sims.

Robbie Sims' highlights:

• Lifetime 38-10-2 record.
• Lost to Bobby Czyz.
• Beat a young Iran Barkley (7-1) in 1984.
• Beat an over-the-hill Roberto Duran (79-6) in 1986.
• Toward the end of his career, he fought the following notables:
  
  • Robert "Vindaloo" Curry (19-29)
  • Dennis "The Menace" Johnson (14-19)
  • Keheven Johnson (23-29-2)

How in the world can ANYONE dispute this genius' rankings??

Oh wait..... I forgot...... Sims was the half-brother of "Marvelous Marvin Hagler". And we all know what Hagler did to Hearns. Ergo, Sims must be ranked above Hearns. The genius of it all!!

He lost by decision 2 Bobby Czyz @ 160 , but Czyz was much younger and fresher than when he fought Holyfield , and Sims was not Holyfield's size . Remember Czyz went on 2 become d lightheavyweight champion of d world , with some successful defenses of his title .
Czyz also was/is n intelligent man and was big and strong 4 a middleweight .
Sims KOd Iran Barkley , d same Iran Barkley whom stopped Hearns and later beat him again .
Sims also outpointed Roberto Duran . It was 3 years b4 Duran went on 2 beat Barkley .
Sims also gave Hearns a tough fight . It's more than what Robero Duran can say .
Then he went 12 rds against Kalambay . Not a great feat in itself , but it certainly does enhance his resume , and since i haven't watched that fight yet , i doubt if Kalambay deserved that win since it was in Italy .
Hearns was a popular fighter , not a really great 1 . It's ignorant ppl like yourself who consider him a great . Hearns was good , but being so big 4 1's division but still managing 2 lose by stoppage more than 1ce , and then by decision 2 1 of d men who stopped him does not prove greatness .

[TitoFan]

Well that just does it!!! The guy's a freaking genius!
He ranks Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns below the great Robbie Sims.

Robbie Sims' highlights:

• Lifetime 38-10-2 record.
• Lost to Bobby Czyz.
• Beat a young Iran Barkley (7-1) in 1984.
• Beat an over-the-hill Roberto Duran (79-6) in 1986.
• Toward the end of his career, he fought the following notables:
  
  • Robert "Vindaloo" Curry (19-29)
  • Dennis "The Menace" Johnson (14-19)
  • Keheven Johnson (23-29-2)

How in the world can ANYONE dispute this genius' rankings??

Oh wait..... I forgot...... Sims was the half-brother of "Marvelous Marvin Hagler". And we all know what Hagler did to Hearns. Ergo, Sims must be ranked above Hearns. The genius of it all!!

He lost by decision 2 Bobby Czyz @ 160 , but Czyz was much younger and fresher than when he fought Holyfield , and Sims was not Holyfield's size . Remember Czyz went on 2 become d lightheavyweight champion of d world , with some successful defenses of his title .
Czyz also was/is n intelligent man and was big and strong 4 a middleweight .
Sims KOd Iran Barkley , d same Iran Barkley whom stopped Hearns and later beat him again .
Sims also outpointed Roberto Duran . It was 3 years b4 Duran went on 2 beat Barkley .
Sims also gave Hearns a tough fight . It's more than what Robero Duran can say .
Then he went 12 rds against Kalambay . Not a great feat in itself , but it certainly does enhance his resume , and since i haven't watched that fight yet , i doubt if Kalambay deserved that win since it was in Italy .
Hearns was a popular fighter , not a really great 1 . It's ignorant ppl like yourself who consider him a great . Hearns was good , but being so big 4 1's division but still managing 2 lose by stoppage more than 1ce , and then by decision 2 1 of d men who stopped him does not prove greatness .

(you) (the rest of the forum)

[frankenfrank]

So my man, you rag on fighters and ranked challengers you have never seen actually fight in regards to a hof'r and a guy you dimiss but then use a Jesse fuckin Fergusson and Akinwande to legitimize a "great fighter" in Oliver McCall. Point of a McCall, Barkley and Gonzalez is all guys of that nature have a few suprises, but also let downs. Don't you see the total foley in what you speak? You can watch boxers box to see great talent or a worthy fighter but it doesn't jump off of pages or chat rooms by itself. I can say pretty safely I've spent more years watching fighters begin, peak and end than the years you have collectivly spent Googling and "browsin boxrec" to judge fighters you really cannot.

Since u'r questioning my hundreds of fights multiple viewing Xperience , praising bums and dissing very good and sometimes great fighters i have 2 ask u if u watched Jesse Fergusson in his winning efforts or just d losing 1s ? same with Akinwande . admittedly i haven't managed 2 get all of their interesting winning efforts so that's Y i haven't watched them all , but since u diss them , have u watched Ferguson outpoint Douglas and then Mercer (*2 probably) ? r u even aware of these accomplishments when u diss them d way u do while at d same spirit praising bums ? Ferguson and Akinwande at least proved themselves by winning fights against good opponents and lasting d distance against others . Did Alex Sanchez ever managed such a feat besides losing a decision 2 Ivan Calderon ? which is his (Sanchez') greatest achievement by far BTW .
And since u've seen d great "El Nene" at work , as opposed 2 I , can u educate me a bit on his achievements ? since i couldn't figure any .

[frankenfrank]

(you) (the rest of the forum)

And Sims also lasted 6 more rds against Benn than Barkley had .

[frankenfrank]

On the QUESTION at hand. A more subjective topic does not exist.

Anyway I'll play and start off with my own country and then the rest of the continent as an exercise in futility.

Top 10

Canada:
Langford
Dixon
Lewis. If I were to include him.
McClarnin came here as a toddler from Ireland.
Brouillard
Durelle
Burns
Chuvalo
Smith
Delaney

I'd put Bob Cleroux ahead of Smith and Durelle if not ahead of some of d rest as well .
I don't even know who is d Smith u referred 2 here.
BTW , do u know that Langford's fight against Jack Blackburn was verified as fixed ?
It's just d "edge of d iceberg" if u ask me .
I believe that until d 1970s , a large portion of d fights were fixed in this way or another .
Larger than u'll ever recognize .

U.S.:
Greb
Robinson
Armstrong
Gans
Ali
Louis
Charles
Burley
Pep
Ketchel

Very bad and ignorant . I'd put Eddie Booker close 2 Burley , but ignorant ppl only hear of Burley and barely if at all recognize d name Eddie Booker .
Ali , Louis , Pep , Ketchell , Gans and even Charles and Greb do not belong in this list .
WSJ was huge 4 a welterweight and even enjoyed big height &B reach advantages as a middleweight , was stopped by d only bigger man whom he ever fought in Joey Maxim and additionally was KOd by Artie Levine and outpointed by d midget Carmen Basilio .
i read that in addition 2 these he also enjoyed a gift decision over Georgie Abrahams , and 4 all of his huge size advantages and sometimes even youth advantages over opponents which unsurprisingly resulted in KO wins over dwarfed opponents (not something i consider as greatness) he failed 3 times at stopping a smaller and older Sammy Angott . He also avoided d "Black Murderes Row" .


I think that this 1 is not my final or even close 2 final list 4d US , but a huge advance from your list :
USA (improvement from your list) :

Charles Burley
Eddie Booker
Henry Armstrong
James Toney
Oliver McCall
Reggie Johnson
Willie Joyce
Orlin Norris
Chris Byrd
Shane Mosley


This list is possibly not perfect but is so much better than yours .

Mex:
Zarate
Sanchez
Canto
Olivares
Saldivar
Lopez
Azteca
Morales
Marquez
Mab

Where is Chavez ? Zarate ahead of Sanchez ? 4 what ?
and how do u separate Olivares from Herera and Castillo whom deserve 2b ranked above him at least as far as their fights between each other went ?
And Lopez again ? 4 what ?
Saldivar , another bad pick 4 a top 10 .

[IamInuit]

On the QUESTION at hand. A more subjective topic does not exist.

Anyway I'll play and start off with my own country and then the rest of the continent as an exercise in futility.

Top 10

Canada:
Langford
Dixon
Lewis. If I were to include him.
McClarnin came here as a toddler from Ireland.
Brouillard
Durelle
Burns
Chuvalo
Smith
Delaney

I'd put Bob Cleroux ahead of Smith and Durelle if not ahead of some of d rest as well .
I don't even know who is d Smith u referred 2 here.
BTW , do u know that Langford's fight against Jack Blackburn was verified as fixed ?
It's just d "edge of d iceberg" if u ask me .
I believe that until d 1970s , a large portion of d fights were fixed in this way or another .
Larger than u'll ever recognize .

U.S.:
Greb
Robinson
Armstrong
Gans
Ali
Louis
Charles
Burley
Pep
Ketchel

Very bad and ignorant . I'd put Eddie Booker close 2 Burley , but ignorant ppl only hear of Burley and barely if at all recognize d name Eddie Booker .
Ali , Louis , Pep , Ketchell , Gans and even Charles and Greb do not belong in this list .
WSJ was huge 4 a welterweight and even enjoyed big height &B reach advantages as a middleweight , was stopped by d only bigger man whom he ever fought in Joey Maxim and additionally was KOd by Artie Levine and outpointed by d midget Carmen Basilio .
i read that in addition 2 these he also enjoyed a gift decision over Georgie Abrahams , and 4 all of his huge size advantages and sometimes even youth advantages over opponents which unsurprisingly resulted in KO wins over dwarfed opponents (not something i consider as greatness) he failed 3 times at stopping a smaller and older Sammy Angott . He also avoided d "Black Murderes Row" .

Are you daft? Seriously. I could come up with hundreds of gift decisions since gloves were added to the sport and so what. By you even suggesting that Harry Greb should not be on the list says more about your lack of historical knowledge then I ever could. I suppose Callis and Fleischer are ignorant also along with Toledo.


I think that this 1 is not my final or even close 2 final list 4d US , but a huge advance from your list :
USA (improvement from your list) :

Charles Burley
Eddie Booker
Henry Armstrong
James Toney
Oliver McCall
Reggie Johnson
Willie Joyce
Orlin Norris
Chris Byrd
Shane Mosley


This list is possibly not perfect but is so much better than yours .

Hahahahahahaha. There are 30 thousand comedians out of work. Perhaps its time for you to try a trade. What a pathetic fucking list that is. You offer up something like that mess as a counter to mine. Increase the dose of whatever it is you are taking. Its clearly not enough.

Mex:
Zarate
Sanchez
Canto
Olivares
Saldivar
Lopez
Azteca
Morales
Marquez
Mab

Where is Chavez ? Zarate ahead of Sanchez ? 4 what ?
and how do u separate Olivares from Herera and Castillo whom deserve 2b ranked above him at least as far as their fights between each other went ?
And Lopez again ? 4 what ?
Saldivar , another bad pick 4 a top 10 .

Chavez is and was a fable. A fairy tale made of plastic and that's why he's not on my list. I seperate based on what I think not on what you think.
Seriously man I don't often tell people thy are moronic idiots because its redundant but I'll make an exception in your case. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. You should go back to the sewing forum. Booker? I could have put the entire murderers row the list. I didn't.

There is nothing worse than an ignorant historian that is also arrogant and suffering from sincere delusion. But you keep right up on providing the empirical evidence for this already established fact.

[frankenfrank]

like i give a shit about Fleischer . Y didn't u mention Bert Sugar ? that genious with d hat and d cigar ? i adore those idiots .

Greb couldn't crack n egg and was a dirty fighter . Y do u give credit 4 a supposed sportsman 4 violating d rules of d sport in which u rank him ? I guess u don't even know what i'm referring 2 here , do u ?

He was also stopped twice and was beaten by Tiger Flowers whom was KOd in 1 by old and blind Sam Langford . Since u do think that d fights during that era were 4 real then u should recognize what i posted now .

Eddie Booker KOd Archie Wright , Charley Burley couldn't . If u want 2 rank Burley ahead of Booker then i don't have much of a problem with it , but does listing Booker mean that d whole BMR should b in ? as if he was d worst of them or something like ? all i imply is that Burley and Booker should b ranked close , even if u choose 2 rank Burley higher .
If u don't understand it then u'r ignorant idiot , but that was already proven .

There is some romanticized plasticized fairy tailized element in d Chavez legacy/legend . i agree on this 2 a little Xtent , meaning that i don't fully reject that claim of yours . But what plastic fairy tale about him destroying Meldrick Taylor twice ? beating Camacho ? gamely fighting LaPorte in his own game more or less ? stopping Roger Mayweather twice ? stopping Mario Martinez just after Martinez stopped a 27 years old Rolando Navarette . I could go on but all of these and more were all plastic fairy tales .
Ray Leonard's , Joe Louis's , Muhammad Ali's , Larry Holmes' , Jack Dempsey's , Gene Tunney's and Rocco Marchegiano's careers all were mucho mas plastic fairy tales than Chavez' .
Even Roberto Duran's and Thomas Hearns' .
I Xpect u not 2 reply 2 this because i know that u'r shitting crap and have no answers 2 my questions and statements here . U'll ignore them just like d rest b4 u did .

[IamInuit]

Do you actually believe that I would waste time debating this with a lost cause? If so then you are even more delusional then I thought.

I'll put up more of my picks for other countries after I get back from fishing and do my best to ignore your pedestrian foolishness.

[ElTerribleMorales]

like i give a shit about Fleischer . Y didn't u mention Bert Sugar ? that genious with d hat and d cigar ? i adore those idiots .

Greb couldn't crack n egg and was a dirty fighter . Y do u give credit 4 a supposed sportsman 4 violating d rules of d sport in which u rank him ? I guess u don't even know what i'm referring 2 here , do u ?

He was also stopped twice and was beaten by Tiger Flowers whom was KOd in 1 by old and blind Sam Langford . Since u do think that d fights during that era were 4 real then u should recognize what i posted now .

Eddie Booker KOd Archie Wright , Charley Burley couldn't . If u want 2 rank Burley ahead of Booker then i don't have much of a problem with it , but does listing Booker mean that d whole BMR should b in ? as if he was d worst of them or something like ? all i imply is that Burley and Booker should b ranked close , even if u choose 2 rank Burley higher .
If u don't understand it then u'r ignorant idiot , but that was already proven .

There is some romanticized plasticized fairy tailized element in d Chavez legacy/legend . i agree on this 2 a little Xtent , meaning that i don't fully reject that claim of yours . But what plastic fairy tale about him destroying Meldrick Taylor twice ? beating Camacho ? gamely fighting LaPorte in his own game more or less ? stopping Roger Mayweather twice ? stopping Mario Martinez just after Martinez stopped a 27 years old Rolando Navarette . I could go on but all of these and more were all plastic fairy tales .
Ray Leonard's , Joe Louis's , Muhammad Ali's , Larry Holmes' , Jack Dempsey's , Gene Tunney's and Rocco Marchegiano's careers all were mucho mas plastic fairy tales than Chavez' .
Even Roberto Duran's and Thomas Hearns' .
I Xpect u not 2 reply 2 this because i know that u'r shitting crap and have no answers 2 my questions and statements here . U'll ignore them just like d rest b4 u did .

no, no one's responding to this cause you're just talking out your ass, and have no clue what you're talking about, especially after the fact that you just tried to discredit Hearns, Leonard's, Louis, Ali's, Holmes, and most of all Duran's career

Roberto Duran's not only the greatest Lightweight in the history of the sport, he's recognized as the GREATEST LATIN FIGHTER PERIOD, even JCC Superstar himself acknowledged him as the greatest and as one of his idols , you're flat out a moron buddy

[frankenfrank]

like i give a shit about Fleischer . Y didn't u mention Bert Sugar ? that genious with d hat and d cigar ? i adore those idiots .

Greb couldn't crack n egg and was a dirty fighter . Y do u give credit 4 a supposed sportsman 4 violating d rules of d sport in which u rank him ? I guess u don't even know what i'm referring 2 here , do u ?

He was also stopped twice and was beaten by Tiger Flowers whom was KOd in 1 by old and blind Sam Langford . Since u do think that d fights during that era were 4 real then u should recognize what i posted now .

Eddie Booker KOd Archie Wright , Charley Burley couldn't . If u want 2 rank Burley ahead of Booker then i don't have much of a problem with it , but does listing Booker mean that d whole BMR should b in ? as if he was d worst of them or something like ? all i imply is that Burley and Booker should b ranked close , even if u choose 2 rank Burley higher .
If u don't understand it then u'r ignorant idiot , but that was already proven .

There is some romanticized plasticized fairy tailized element in d Chavez legacy/legend . i agree on this 2 a little Xtent , meaning that i don't fully reject that claim of yours . But what plastic fairy tale about him destroying Meldrick Taylor twice ? beating Camacho ? gamely fighting LaPorte in his own game more or less ? stopping Roger Mayweather twice ? stopping Mario Martinez just after Martinez stopped a 27 years old Rolando Navarette . I could go on but all of these and more were all plastic fairy tales .
Ray Leonard's , Joe Louis's , Muhammad Ali's , Larry Holmes' , Jack Dempsey's , Gene Tunney's and Rocco Marchegiano's careers all were mucho mas plastic fairy tales than Chavez' .
Even Roberto Duran's and Thomas Hearns' .
I Xpect u not 2 reply 2 this because i know that u'r shitting crap and have no answers 2 my questions and statements here . U'll ignore them just like d rest b4 u did .

no, no one's responding to this cause you're just talking out your ass, and have no clue what you're talking about, especially after the fact that you just tried to discredit Hearns, Leonard's, Louis, Ali's, Holmes, and most of all Duran's career

Roberto Duran's not only the greatest Lightweight in the history of the sport, he's recognized as the GREATEST LATIN FIGHTER PERIOD, even JCC Superstar himself acknowledged him as the greatest and as one of his idols , you're flat out a moron buddy

no brah , u r d moron . sporting a Puerto Rico flag along d ElTerribleMorales name , very authentic .
Expressing casual fan's impressions and following d lies and d myths like cattle .
Not knowing d facts and ignoring them and then replying 2 my post without reading it almost .
as 4 Duran :
His win over Leonard is legit , until i watch/rewatch it and might change my mind (don't remember if i watched it but i certainly didn't watch it in d last 4 years)
Barkley was quite weight drained @ 160lbs .
DeJesus , Sims , Benitez & Kirkland Laing outpointed him . He was kept away from Antonio Cervantes , whom might have posed 2 much of a risk 4 him .
He was decapitated by Hearns .
I do Xcuse his loss in d Leonard rematch .
Palomino was on d end of d way against him .
Cuevas was shot , but their fight was supposed 2b a welterweight fight , however Duran couldn't make d weight , and Cuevas generously agreed 4 him 2 come overweight . D rest is on youtube .
Davey Moore came injured in2 their fight , had a dental surgery . Not only that , but Duran also thumbed him . I do not even complain about Moore's being green like some others do .
Ken Buchanan , Duran hit him low , after d bell and then won .
Despite what's on boxrec , no1 knows d way Duran vs Ernesto Marcel ended . Whether Duran even stopped him or not , and if so then how . A mystery 2 this day .
This story is just a bit 2 much Cassius Clayish in its nature 2 indicate of d supposed immense greatness .
Yes , Duran really was very good , but ppl don't know some if not all of d facts that i listed above , there r probably more such facts about his career , and even then , ppl ignore them , like u do most of d time .