Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

JMM has not hidden who has been working with, changing his routine, looking to improve strength/power, commentators thought his size would work against him as he looked tighter and that Pac looked trimmer, looser and faster.

You know Hernadez personally to be able to comment on his character?
You're accusing Marquez of cheating?
Marquez said prior to the fight he'll take whatever test Roach/they want - Something Manny has refused to do and ruined the chance of fighting Mayweather. Ever since Mayweather accused Pac of cheating and the spotlight has been put on him Pac's performance has been getting worse...could be age/training or by your logic proof that he was cheating before.

You've only just registered and post this. Bitter Pac fan?

[jbp23]

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

JMM has not hidden who has been working with, changing his routine, looking to improve strength/power, commentators thought his size would work against him as he looked tighter and that Pac looked trimmer, looser and faster.

You know Hernadez personally to be able to comment on his character?
You're accusing Marquez of cheating?
Marquez said prior to the fight he'll take whatever test Roach/they want - Something Manny has refused to do and ruined the chance of fighting Mayweather. Ever since Mayweather accused Pac of cheating and the spotlight has been put on him Pac's performance has been getting worse...could be age/training or by your logic proof that he was cheating before.

You've only just registered and post this. Bitter Pac fan?

Do I know Hernandez no but his character or lack of is easily researched. He is an admitted PED peddler, he tried to hide who he is by using alias's but the press found out, he makes up stories about working with the USADA, he ratted out the athletes he was doping up to save his own ass and anyone anywhere knows nothing is worse than a snitch so I believe these easily researched facts show his character or lack of so I do not need to know him personally since there is a lot out there on him that shows the type of man he is.
Am I accusing Marquez of cheating? It's reasonable to believe he may have cheated based on the above noted facts and hiring a steroid peddler is the most damning fact of all. There is no logical reason to hire someone with this type of reputation as it will only invite suspicion and rightly so.
In an interview MArquez said he does not know how these questions came up, well its ebcause you hired known steroid peddler.
Are you saying having a steroid peddler/dealer is no reason to be suspicious? If you are saying so then you are naive.

Its funny how no one address the issues I brought up, they ignore them such as yourself. Why do you ignore them? Because its hard to counter them because they are all true.

So tell me his story about working with the USDA that turned out to be false, what does that tell you about him? Using an alias, what does that say about him? Being a PED peddler what does that tell you? None of that brings any suspicion? Man, all these problems do not raise any suspicion on your part then you are probably the easiest person in the world to scam, I bet telemarketers love you and you probably are broke because you sent all your money to some prince in Africa because you got an email from one stating he would make you rich. By the way just because I am new to this site does not mean I am new to boxing. I have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know. By the way its possible he did try to hide he was working with if you recall, in the last fight Hernandez was using an alias and he was introduced with his alias. So that to me looks like he was trying to hide who this guy was, but he was recognized and the jigg was up. So you are wrong on that count.

[Vendettos]

After losing two and drawing one in three fights he had a right to believe he won, the bigger and stronger version of Marquez left no doubt this time around.

He concluded one of the year's best fights in stunningly brutal fashion, catching Pacquiao on the chin with a perfectly placed counter right hand, knocking the Filipino superstar out cold at 2:59 of the sixth round before an arena packed with his delirious fans.

It was the same right hand that Marquez landed repeatedly in their first three fights, shots that did little damage to Pacquiao. But after a year of building his body with conditioning coach Angel Guillermo "Memo" Heredia, Marquez had the zip he needed on his fastball to get the job done.

Source http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing-...085101776.html


Now shut the fuck up.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

JMM has not hidden who has been working with, changing his routine, looking to improve strength/power, commentators thought his size would work against him as he looked tighter and that Pac looked trimmer, looser and faster.

You know Hernadez personally to be able to comment on his character?
You're accusing Marquez of cheating?
Marquez said prior to the fight he'll take whatever test Roach/they want - Something Manny has refused to do and ruined the chance of fighting Mayweather. Ever since Mayweather accused Pac of cheating and the spotlight has been put on him Pac's performance has been getting worse...could be age/training or by your logic proof that he was cheating before.

You've only just registered and post this. Bitter Pac fan?

Do I know Hernandez no but his character or lack of is easily researched. He is an admitted PED peddler, he tried to hide who he is by using alias's but the press found out, he makes up stories about working with the USADA, he ratted out the athletes he was doping up to save his own ass and anyone anywhere knows nothing is worse than a snitch so I believe these easily researched facts show his character or lack of so I do not need to know him personally since there is a lot out there on him that shows the type of man he is.
Am I accusing Marquez of cheating? It's reasonable to believe he may have cheated based on the above noted facts and hiring a steroid peddler is the most damning fact of all. There is no logical reason to hire someone with this type of reputation as it will only invite suspicion and rightly so.
In an interview MArquez said he does not know how these questions came up, well its ebcause you hired known steroid peddler.
Are you saying having a steroid peddler/dealer is no reason to be suspicious? If you are saying so then you are naive.

Its funny how no one address the issues I brought up, they ignore them such as yourself. Why do you ignore them? Because its hard to counter them because they are all true.

So tell me his story about working with the USDA that turned out to be false, what does that tell you about him? Using an alias, what does that say about him? Being a PED peddler what does that tell you? None of that brings any suspicion? Man, all these problems do not raise any suspicion on your part then you are probably the easiest person in the world to scam, I bet telemarketers love you and you probably are broke because you sent all your money to some prince in Africa because you got an email from one stating he would make you rich. By the way just because I am new to this site does not mean I am new to boxing. I have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know.

His character can be researched? Just like you know for a fact (because you only deal in facts right?) that you know more about boxing than me. Nah, I'll raise it from idiot to thick as fuck.

He did something wrong in the past therefore it must continue to be true for the future.

You must be a pactard as you have failed to respond to the FACT that Marquez has said he'll take whatever test they want (unlike Manny, FACT)
And failed to respond to the FACT that since Mayweather and others accused Pac of cheating he has been on the slide, FACT.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Pacquiao opponent Marquez denies doping accusations
This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach. But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.
"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any suspicions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.
"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''

[Master]

Marquez is certainly more muscular than when he fought Floyd but he has always had great conditioning, a big right hand and great skills. He is amazing.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Marquez is certainly more muscular than when he fought Floyd but he has always had great conditioning, a big right hand and great skills. He is amazing.

clearly a cheating cunt, should check his wraps and maybe his gloves for chloroform

[Master]

Marquez is certainly more muscular than when he fought Floyd but he has always had great conditioning, a big right hand and great skills. He is amazing.

clearly a cheating cunt, should check his wraps and maybe his gloves for chloroform

I am saying he is not on drugs but is a skilled fighter and has done it through hard work. Call me niave but until proven otherwise he is innocent.

[imp]

It didnt take long for someone to stain marquez win.

[Althugz]

OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.

The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.

Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.

[Nameless]

Pacquiao opponent Marquez denies doping accusations
This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach. But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.
"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any suspicions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.
"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''

Yeah but your source, even though extremely relevant doesn't count because the guy has forgotten more about boxing than what you'll ever now

[TysonBomb]

Its so conspicuous that Marquez isn't carrying that muscle naturally

Clearly enhanced with anabolics

[Nameless]

Its so conspicuous that Marquez isn't carrying that muscle naturally

Clearly enhanced with anabolics

Any more suspicious than Pacquiao that went from 105 to now, winning in 7 different weight categories?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Pacquiao opponent Marquez denies doping accusations
This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach. But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.
"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any suspicions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.
"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''

Yeah but your source, even though extremely relevant doesn't count because the guy has forgotten more about boxing than what you'll ever now

Thanks, I forgot

[jbp23]

Seeing Marquez tonight brings up allot of questions. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist, actually in my line of work one only uses facts.

Marquez has never been so big and muscular, seeing him squat huge amounts of weight in the 24/7 episode was unreal.
Marquez has a known steroid peddler/manufacturer as his strength coach
This coach was hiding who he was by using an alias
This guy actually snitched on the athletes he was giving PEDS to, usually its the dealer who gets put on trial not the drug user. This shows the guy has no morals at all.

I think once a fighter brings in a known PED peddler onto his team then it's perfectly ok to be suspicious especially considering the character of this Angel Hernandez or whatever he wants to call himself now. Plus he seems to lie a lot by saying he is working with this group and that group to develop drug testing for boxing, when there is no evidence he is doing so. Here is an unusual lie he recently told:
"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen." YahooSports

This is just an obvious lie and really brings up allot of questions. There are no pre-drug test screening for Marquez and Pacquiao so why would he be giving Marquez's blood and urine to anyone outside of the Nevada Athletic commission.

Those might want to say the same about Pacquiao, but its not the same thing. Pacquiao does not have a known PED peddler as a conditioning coach. I believe Marquez would do just about anything to get a win against his foe Pacquiao, just like Mosley was willing to do against De La Hoya and other fighters willing to do whatever to winexamples Margarito, Tarver, Vargas. Doing so would be easy for Marquez to rationalize it by thinking he was cheated out of the pat 3 fights with Pacqman.

I know I might get allot of shit for this, so go ahead and give it to me. By the way I am a big Marquez fan always have been. Thes are legit questions

JMM has not hidden who has been working with, changing his routine, looking to improve strength/power, commentators thought his size would work against him as he looked tighter and that Pac looked trimmer, looser and faster.

You know Hernadez personally to be able to comment on his character?
You're accusing Marquez of cheating?
Marquez said prior to the fight he'll take whatever test Roach/they want - Something Manny has refused to do and ruined the chance of fighting Mayweather. Ever since Mayweather accused Pac of cheating and the spotlight has been put on him Pac's performance has been getting worse...could be age/training or by your logic proof that he was cheating before.

You've only just registered and post this. Bitter Pac fan?

Do I know Hernandez no but his character or lack of is easily researched. He is an admitted PED peddler, he tried to hide who he is by using alias's but the press found out, he makes up stories about working with the USADA, he ratted out the athletes he was doping up to save his own ass and anyone anywhere knows nothing is worse than a snitch so I believe these easily researched facts show his character or lack of so I do not need to know him personally since there is a lot out there on him that shows the type of man he is.
Am I accusing Marquez of cheating? It's reasonable to believe he may have cheated based on the above noted facts and hiring a steroid peddler is the most damning fact of all. There is no logical reason to hire someone with this type of reputation as it will only invite suspicion and rightly so.
In an interview MArquez said he does not know how these questions came up, well its ebcause you hired known steroid peddler.
Are you saying having a steroid peddler/dealer is no reason to be suspicious? If you are saying so then you are naive.

Its funny how no one address the issues I brought up, they ignore them such as yourself. Why do you ignore them? Because its hard to counter them because they are all true.

So tell me his story about working with the USDA that turned out to be false, what does that tell you about him? Using an alias, what does that say about him? Being a PED peddler what does that tell you? None of that brings any suspicion? Man, all these problems do not raise any suspicion on your part then you are probably the easiest person in the world to scam, I bet telemarketers love you and you probably are broke because you sent all your money to some prince in Africa because you got an email from one stating he would make you rich. By the way just because I am new to this site does not mean I am new to boxing. I have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know.

His character can be researched? Just like you know for a fact (because you only deal in facts right?) that you know more about boxing than me. Nah, I'll raise it from idiot to thick as fuck.

He did something wrong in the past therefore it must continue to be true for the future.

You must be a pactard as you have failed to respond to the FACT that Marquez has said he'll take whatever test they want (unlike Manny, FACT)
And failed to respond to the FACT that since Mayweather and others accused Pac of cheating he has been on the slide, FACT.

Man ,you have an odd idea of logic you must have no more than a 10th grade education. because Mayweather accuses someone of drugs that equals drug user!
Now its a fact that Mayweather accused Pacman of PEDs, therefore in your muppet mind insto presto Mayweather's accusation has the power to make his statement a reality! Oh you forgot, because I doubt you read very much, Mayweather apologized and withdrew all those comments and paid Manny a lot of money for such baseless accusations.

He did something wrong, yet he never ever paid for those things he did he got away scott free and sold out a lot of people. I just don't understand how you or anyone would stand up for a guy like that unless you have similar standards and ideals.