Chuck Wepner's knockdown of Muhammad Ali 1975

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Are you really missing what I'm saying about Shane Mosely?! Jesus Christ... It's so fucking simple.

Ya i get what you're saying don't have a meltdown , im just asking the question do u think Mosley was on PEDS then Yes or no? With regards to VK, look It's all here- documented in this well-respected article written by a proper journalist at a proper paper. It is also discussed at length by Vitali in his Autobiography

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...oid-abuse.html

Now, I have read ALL of Holyfields books, and he does not discuss the Evan Fields phone call at all.

"He went to a normal Ukrainian doctor who gave him something that would heal it, but he didn't check the doping list," Boente said.

Klitschko admits that it was a steroid - and shortly afterwards the substance showed up in a routine drug test.

"They are not keeping this a secret," Boente said. "You have to remember this was the Ukraine of eight or nine years ago. Things are very different now.

"At first he was totally angry. He couldn't believe it."

In his eight-year professional career, Klitschko has been tested routinely for banned substances, including steroids, and has always been clean.

Tests for steroids are normal in Germany, where he had the majority of his contests during his rise to the championship. I believe he is a clean proffesional. You don't have too, its that simple!

I KNOW he admitted to taking PEDs, he didn't fail any tests in this modern era of 'more advanced testing' (as you see it)... Not because he didn't cheat, but because the tests are very lax.

Ya i get the Mosley thing i am just trying to ascertain wether you think VK is an habitual abuser? Yes or no? Simple answers are all i want. With regards to WK (u neglected to answer my question regarding him again) Give me some sources. Quotes. Something like the Evan Fields story, something that will stand up in the Court of Public Opinion. You think he is an abuser too then right?

Shane Mosely admits to cheating and still failed zero tests. He is proof positive that your claim that Vitali not failing tests as a pro cannot and does not remove all suspicion that he is 100%

Well i have my opinion you have yours. He freely discusses the subject and has remained clean. Do u agree Mosley was on them then? Holy? Yes or no?

I am outraged at a slur on Tyson? I just told you he was an awful person?! You claimed that steroids gave him roid rage and made him a bad person. I told you he was ALREADY a bad person.

So do u think it a possibility Tyson was on them? I never said they gave him roid rage i said he was a good candidate for roid rage and that i will reserve judgement.

So in the early 90s in ukraine they treat headaches with 'nettle soup', but a leg injury with anabolic steroids?

Was it an anabolic steroid?

Great, I assume they also use sledgehammers to pin paper to pin boards?

Why would they? Just use your hands.

A drugs program in the soviet block? :0 Unheard of!

The Old Soviet System that collapsed in....1990, 1991
They turned pro in 1996 after the ATLANTA OLYMPICS and everyone knows, in 1996 there was no Soviet System, they went to Germany in any case......

....not even David Haye made any accusations.

When did I say I didn't buy the Evan Fields fiasco? I said that if you buy Vitali's 'the dr gave me magic pills for my poorly leg' excuse then you have to buy Holyfield's 'dr gave me magic pills for my health problems' excuse. You can't choose only one... Not unless you're a nut hugger. I think both excuse are bullshit... You're apparently happy to believe the one that lets you not think that your hero never knowingly cheated.

Ironically, the only guy who volunteered to WADA testing was Wlad, and the only guy who openly discusses a failed test, in an AutoBio, of all places, is Vitali. VK is happy to discuss the subject and Wlad is massively anti-roids. Don't think he would be happy with a juiced up VK do u? Don't u think VK would sweep this under the carpet at all costs?

You think Tyson is a likely candidate for PED use based on the water tight evidence of 'Evander's friend says so', but you DON'T think Vitali is a likely candidate for PED use based on the undisputable fact that his history shows that he has been willing to use PEDs. That's all this comes down to.:

No not just because of that becuse he was a clear head case, his behaviour in the ring aswell as out of it was disgusting! He operated in the drug addled 80's too. Didn't Teddy Atlas also say Tyson was on them? Could be wrong. You yourself said clean test's are no proof of anything so it is entirely feesable to suggest Tyson may have been on them when you take into account his behaviour and his willingness to sink to every low depth imaginable.

Just how good was the testing back in the days of the Don King Ring? LOL Tyson is American and as long as there is money to be made by unscrupulous types he could do what he likes.

Don't ever claim not to be a biased, nut hugging fanboy please.

U sound upset?