From how many fights should Ali have been DQ'ed for holding?

[El Kabong]

Muhammad Ali wasn't original in how he acted...he was original in style, for a heavyweight simply due to athletic ability but....



That man was who Ali modeled himself after. Ali just did it in an age when there were tvs in every household. Without Jack Johnson there would be no Ali.

[El Kabong]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is even trying to be the Jack Johnson of this era! STILL over 100 years later, and the P4P #1 fighter is trying to beJack Johnson. Jack fought with an annoying style, he talked loads of trash, he laughed off hatred, he did things specifically to irk people, to push buttons. Ali copied him...he just tried to bring politics into the spotlight to be different....Jack Johnson didn't give 2 shits about politics.

Ali joined the "Nation of Islam" & dodged the draft....whoopty fucking doo. Jack Johnson had sex with white women & sped in his car through the rural south in the 1900's with no NAACP & no group of idiot thugs following Elijah Muhammad to "have his back"

Jack Johnson even has a better movie than Ali documentary (Unforgivable Blackness) & biopic (The Great White Hope).

Without Jack Johnson there's no Ali

[Dark Lord Al]

Muhammad Ali wasn't original in how he acted...he was original in style, for a heavyweight simply due to athletic ability but....



That man was who Ali modeled himself after. Ali just did it in an age when there were tvs in every household. Without Jack Johnson there would be no Ali.

To be honest it should be about the boxing not the other bullshit

[El Kabong]

Very true. Ali was like The Beatles he hit the scene at just the right time... he was talented but all the superfluous crap I could have done without.

[Master]

You lot say you do not like the baggage that Ali brought but you still do not accept that what he did in the ring was better than any other heavyweight ever accomplished.

Without Joe Louis there would have been less opportunity for Ali, not Jack Johnson, get your facts right.

Get over it and judge him on his boxing as we have.