From how many fights should Ali have been DQ'ed for holding?

[Vendettos]

Ali held soooo goddamn much (he stunk out the joint vs Frazier in the 2nd fight... who the hell has a boring fight with Frazier??).

Ali had a lot of great moments in the sport and beat a lot of real killers, but IMO if you look at his career as a whole, he was more boring in the ring than the Klitschko's.

I never find VKs fights boring.

Do you think this forum would exist if Ali wasn't the big name he was? Just curious.

I think he was the reason I ever knew about boxing as a child.

I personally think he was good at winning fights he probably shouldn't have, he won by any means.

Jesus H. Christ! I hope you don't actually think Ali is bigger than boxing.
Boxing would be different (better IMO) if Ali never existed, but it would still be doing fine.
Yes, this forum would be here if Ali never existed, the Internet is bigger than Ali and boxing. IMO

I don't believe that. I did say I was just curious.

Some people would say that without Ali boxing would be dead.

I personally don't know. I believe it would still be here, but wed be missing a golden era.

[Master]

Ali held soooo goddamn much (he stunk out the joint vs Frazier in the 2nd fight... who the hell has a boring fight with Frazier??).

Ali had a lot of great moments in the sport and beat a lot of real killers, but IMO if you look at his career as a whole, he was more boring in the ring than the Klitschko's.

I never find VKs fights boring.

Do you think this forum would exist if Ali wasn't the big name he was? Just curious.

I think he was the reason I ever knew about boxing as a child.

I personally think he was good at winning fights he probably shouldn't have, he won by any means.

Jesus H. Christ! I hope you don't actually think Ali is bigger than boxing.
Boxing would be different (better IMO) if Ali never existed, but it would still be doing fine.
Yes, this forum would be here if Ali never existed, the Internet is bigger than Ali and boxing. IMO

I don't believe that. I did say I was just curious.

Some people would say that without Ali boxing would be dead.

I personally don't know. I believe it would still be here, but wed be missing a golden era.

If Ali was not around title would change hands Fraiser, Foreman, Young, Norton, Holmes...

[beenKOed]

Ali held soooo goddamn much (he stunk out the joint vs Frazier in the 2nd fight... who the hell has a boring fight with Frazier??).

Ali had a lot of great moments in the sport and beat a lot of real killers, but IMO if you look at his career as a whole, he was more boring in the ring than the Klitschko's.

I never find VKs fights boring.

Do you think this forum would exist if Ali wasn't the big name he was? Just curious.

I think he was the reason I ever knew about boxing as a child.

I personally think he was good at winning fights he probably shouldn't have, he won by any means.

Jesus H. Christ! I hope you don't actually think Ali is bigger than boxing.
Boxing would be different (better IMO) if Ali never existed, but it would still be doing fine.
Yes, this forum would be here if Ali never existed, the Internet is bigger than Ali and boxing. IMO

I don't believe that. I did say I was just curious.

Some people would say that without Ali boxing would be dead.

I personally don't know. I believe it would still be here, but wed be missing a golden era.

It's just my opinion, take it or leave it. If you spend more than 10 minutes thinking about it you are wasting your time.
Make up you own mind, believe what makes sense to you just like we all do.
I don't believe Ali was greatest, in or out of the ring.
When Ali beat Foreman he went up a few levels in my mind.

[chinchekked]

I find it odd that of all things that Ali is called a coward for not fighting in the war. I don't know his true motives but his actions alone didn't make him a coward. When you look at the state of the US in that time period when men of color were still being legitimately discriminated against and abuse for the color of their skin I can't blame Ali one bit. Sure you can say that he was making money in the US and so forth but he was still not treated as an equal citizen and if he had courage to say I'm not fighting for a country that regarded his family members and African American friends as 2nd class citizens well fair play to him. I'm not saying he was right or wrong but looking at things the context of that time period calling him a coward is a bit extreme IMO

[Master]

I find it odd that of all things that Ali is called a coward for not fighting in the war. I don't know his true motives but his actions alone didn't make him a coward. When you look at the state of the US in that time period when men of color were still being legitimately discriminated against and abuse for the color of their skin I can't blame Ali one bit. Sure you can say that he was making money in the US and so forth but he was still not treated as an equal citizen and if he had courage to say I'm not fighting for a country that regarded his family members and African American friends as 2nd class citizens well fair play to him. I'm not saying he was right or wrong but looking at things the context of that time period calling him a coward is a bit extreme IMO

The End.