Does anyone think George Zimmerman is guilty of murder?

[Andre]

"well a thief doesn't deserve to die for stealing".

That's debatable...I've had my car broken into before, and my house almost broken into (my dog prevented that) and there's nothing like the amount of anger one feels when that happens. You go to work and your home sits empty all day and these lowlife thieves can just pop in and pop out and make a nice amount of cash off of your hard work....FUCK THAT. If someone breaks into your house Shoot them, that is a line you do not cross man.

I'd delete that in case the police take your computer after the shooting.

While you are at it rub my beach scenario out will ya

[Beanz]

To most people outside of the states this case is pretty mind blowing. The idea that an unarmed teenager who was not trespassing is somehow responsible for being shot dead by a guy, because, you Lyle, and many others like you, assume that he started a fight with an ARMED man and therefore because the ARMED man was possibly losing and ....wait for it (because this is for many virtually incomprehensible) AFRAID FOR HIS OWN LIFE that somehow means the charges should at most be manslaughter ?


Media bias should be the least of your worries.

An unarmed teenager who may have instigated a fight instead of just walking away. If you're in a fight and you have a weapon and you're losing the fight there is a very real possibility your weapon will be used against you.


Lets take a look at other people and how they would have handled the situation shall we? I don't get into fights, I just don't...I don't know why, maybe I'm just well liked. But even if presented with a physical showdown I give my nemesis every single chance to leave unharmed and wouldn't you know it they always do...ALWAYS.....100% of the time. Some drunk Army guys tried to start shit with me and I let cooler heads prevail and in the end everyone gets along....maybe it's just because I'm white...or maybe I would just rather not pummel the life out of someone accidentally because it doesn't take much to kill someone even with just your hands....you punch someone and their head smacks the concrete too hard and all of a sudden your little street fight in a homicide....I don't like that idea, most people don't like that idea.

Now, what caused this situation to go from nothing happening to physical altercation ending in the death of a teenager?

There's your point of contention right there and I say had Trayvon left well enough alone, OR at the very least not started a fight he'd still be alive today. Ask George why he was following you, explain you were heading home and then it's not you in trouble it's Zimmerman for being overaggressive as a watchman. But you physically confront Zimmerman and start beating him up and tell him he's "Gonna die tonight" (that's what Trayvon said according to Zimmerman in the Police reports) and well something like THIS happens.

Why are you assuming that an unarmed teenager started a fight? Because the guy who shot him dead told you so ? Why should you believe anything Zimmerman says ? Why has the possibility that Zimmerman attacked Martin never occurred to you? What happened to the American ideal of freedom? Why are you again assuming Martin was over aggressive? Why are you assuming that Martin confronted Zimmerman? Why are you assuming that Martin not only started beating Zimmerman up but also that he said "Gonna Die tonight" ? Why do you want to believe everything Zimmerman says so much? Why are you saying that Trayvon should have left well alone when he was being pursued by someone who was expressly told by law enforcement NOT to pursue? Why didn't you think it appropriate that Zimmerman should be the one to walk away? He was the pursuer? Why Lyle? Why?

[Andre]

These two witnesses have a side to it regarding when the crying stopped.

Sad stuff to hear.

[Andre]

Then this .

I wonder why Zimmerman was around behind these houses.

[Andre]

I dont know, somethings fishy.

[Violent Demise]

To most people outside of the states this case is pretty mind blowing. The idea that an unarmed teenager who was not trespassing is somehow responsible for being shot dead by a guy, because, you Lyle, and many others like you, assume that he started a fight with an ARMED man and therefore because the ARMED man was possibly losing and ....wait for it (because this is for many virtually incomprehensible) AFRAID FOR HIS OWN LIFE that somehow means the charges should at most be manslaughter ?


Media bias should be the least of your worries.

An unarmed teenager who may have instigated a fight instead of just walking away. If you're in a fight and you have a weapon and you're losing the fight there is a very real possibility your weapon will be used against you.


Lets take a look at other people and how they would have handled the situation shall we? I don't get into fights, I just don't...I don't know why, maybe I'm just well liked. But even if presented with a physical showdown I give my nemesis every single chance to leave unharmed and wouldn't you know it they always do...ALWAYS.....100% of the time. Some drunk Army guys tried to start shit with me and I let cooler heads prevail and in the end everyone gets along....maybe it's just because I'm white...or maybe I would just rather not pummel the life out of someone accidentally because it doesn't take much to kill someone even with just your hands....you punch someone and their head smacks the concrete too hard and all of a sudden your little street fight in a homicide....I don't like that idea, most people don't like that idea.

Now, what caused this situation to go from nothing happening to physical altercation ending in the death of a teenager?

There's your point of contention right there and I say had Trayvon left well enough alone, OR at the very least not started a fight he'd still be alive today. Ask George why he was following you, explain you were heading home and then it's not you in trouble it's Zimmerman for being overaggressive as a watchman. But you physically confront Zimmerman and start beating him up and tell him he's "Gonna die tonight" (that's what Trayvon said according to Zimmerman in the Police reports) and well something like THIS happens.

Why are you assuming that an unarmed teenager started a fight? Because the guy who shot him dead told you so ? Why should you believe anything Zimmerman says ? Why has the possibility that Zimmerman attacked Martin never occurred to you? What happened to the American ideal of freedom? Why are you again assuming Martin was over aggressive? Why are you assuming that Martin confronted Zimmerman? Why are you assuming that Martin not only started beating Zimmerman up but also that he said "Gonna Die tonight" ? Why do you want to believe everything Zimmerman says so much? Why are you saying that Trayvon should have left well alone when he was being pursued by someone who was expressly told by law enforcement NOT to pursue? Why didn't you think it appropriate that Zimmerman should be the one to walk away? He was the pursuer? Why Lyle? Why?

Zimmerman had the gun. Trayvon did not. Laws of the streets clearly state you don't bring knives to a gun fight and you most certainly don't bring fists to a gun fight. Trayvon did not follow the rules. Zimmerman did. Zimmerman won the fight. Therefore Zimmerman is in the right and what he says is true

[Beanz]

To most people outside of the states this case is pretty mind blowing. The idea that an unarmed teenager who was not trespassing is somehow responsible for being shot dead by a guy, because, you Lyle, and many others like you, assume that he started a fight with an ARMED man and therefore because the ARMED man was possibly losing and ....wait for it (because this is for many virtually incomprehensible) AFRAID FOR HIS OWN LIFE that somehow means the charges should at most be manslaughter ?


Media bias should be the least of your worries.

An unarmed teenager who may have instigated a fight instead of just walking away. If you're in a fight and you have a weapon and you're losing the fight there is a very real possibility your weapon will be used against you.


Lets take a look at other people and how they would have handled the situation shall we? I don't get into fights, I just don't...I don't know why, maybe I'm just well liked. But even if presented with a physical showdown I give my nemesis every single chance to leave unharmed and wouldn't you know it they always do...ALWAYS.....100% of the time. Some drunk Army guys tried to start shit with me and I let cooler heads prevail and in the end everyone gets along....maybe it's just because I'm white...or maybe I would just rather not pummel the life out of someone accidentally because it doesn't take much to kill someone even with just your hands....you punch someone and their head smacks the concrete too hard and all of a sudden your little street fight in a homicide....I don't like that idea, most people don't like that idea.

Now, what caused this situation to go from nothing happening to physical altercation ending in the death of a teenager?

There's your point of contention right there and I say had Trayvon left well enough alone, OR at the very least not started a fight he'd still be alive today. Ask George why he was following you, explain you were heading home and then it's not you in trouble it's Zimmerman for being overaggressive as a watchman. But you physically confront Zimmerman and start beating him up and tell him he's "Gonna die tonight" (that's what Trayvon said according to Zimmerman in the Police reports) and well something like THIS happens.

Why are you assuming that an unarmed teenager started a fight? Because the guy who shot him dead told you so ? Why should you believe anything Zimmerman says ? Why has the possibility that Zimmerman attacked Martin never occurred to you? What happened to the American ideal of freedom? Why are you again assuming Martin was over aggressive? Why are you assuming that Martin confronted Zimmerman? Why are you assuming that Martin not only started beating Zimmerman up but also that he said "Gonna Die tonight" ? Why do you want to believe everything Zimmerman says so much? Why are you saying that Trayvon should have left well alone when he was being pursued by someone who was expressly told by law enforcement NOT to pursue? Why didn't you think it appropriate that Zimmerman should be the one to walk away? He was the pursuer? Why Lyle? Why?

Zimmerman had the gun. Trayvon did not. Laws of the streets clearly state you don't bring knives to a gun fight and you most certainly don't bring fists to a gun fight. Trayvon did not follow the rules. Zimmerman did. Zimmerman won the fight. Therefore Zimmerman is in the right and what he says is true

Don't be so sure that Peruvian George follows any rules or thinks very highly of you foo

"I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!"

George Zimmerman

[Beanflicker]

I thought that 911 call was really telling. He was told do not follow the suspect. Also was heard to use the term fucking coon. They are going to have a long day with those two points when trying to prove self defense 100%. The ballistics will be interesting, has direction ,angle and distance been released to view yet?

1. The person who advised him was a dispatcher, who he had no legal obligation to listen to.

2. He never said "fucking coon".

[Andre]

I thought that 911 call was really telling. He was told do not follow the suspect. Also was heard to use the term fucking coon. They are going to have a long day with those two points when trying to prove self defense 100%. The ballistics will be interesting, has direction ,angle and distance been released to view yet?

1. The person who advised him was a dispatcher, who he had no legal obligation to listen to.

2. He never said "fucking coon".

Yeah you are right he didnt say that;
I remember they said he did say that originally,as Lyle said that was the press marking it up to racism.

But Ive just been listening to it all again here this morning, there is a lot more info available now.

Utube has everything now, there is even the full police interview on a polygraph goes for about an hour, from within the police station from on the day of the offense or whatever we have to call it.

[Andre]

I know we should not judge but it seems to me this bloke fancied himself as a police officer type and went for an easy mark.
My bet is he wouldnt have gone down in between those flats if that black guy was larger than him.
Theres alot of questions and many discrepancies of witnesses and his own talk then and now,but in reality he didnt do anything any different than many police officers would do and that is well fucked up in itself.

I was just reading about those cops who shot the shit out of those womens cars thinking it was a different car.
Then when they finally find the right perp he is held up in a house so they burn it down on him and kill him.
With the amount of lead they pumped into those womens cars sort of tells you he was never going to be led to court.

[Beanflicker]

I know we should not judge but it seems to me this bloke fancied himself as a police officer type

Yeah I agree 100%, George Zimmerman seems like a douche, like a rent-a-cop type who takes his position a little too seriously. I don't like the guy, especially after finding out he's a god freak and thinks this whole incident was "god's will".

But I think even a douche deserves justice, and hes been given a raw deal i feel

[Andre]

I know we should not judge but it seems to me this bloke fancied himself as a police officer type

Yeah I agree 100%, George Zimmerman seems like a douche, like a rent-a-cop type who takes his position a little too seriously. I don't like the guy, especially after finding out he's a god freak and thinks this whole incident was "god's will".

But I think even a douche deserves justice, and hes been given a raw deal i feel

Whys that mate? He isnt inside awaiting trial or anything is he.
Out here he would be on remand which is detention awaiting trail other than bail.

[Violent Demise]

To most people outside of the states this case is pretty mind blowing. The idea that an unarmed teenager who was not trespassing is somehow responsible for being shot dead by a guy, because, you Lyle, and many others like you, assume that he started a fight with an ARMED man and therefore because the ARMED man was possibly losing and ....wait for it (because this is for many virtually incomprehensible) AFRAID FOR HIS OWN LIFE that somehow means the charges should at most be manslaughter ?


Media bias should be the least of your worries.

An unarmed teenager who may have instigated a fight instead of just walking away. If you're in a fight and you have a weapon and you're losing the fight there is a very real possibility your weapon will be used against you.


Lets take a look at other people and how they would have handled the situation shall we? I don't get into fights, I just don't...I don't know why, maybe I'm just well liked. But even if presented with a physical showdown I give my nemesis every single chance to leave unharmed and wouldn't you know it they always do...ALWAYS.....100% of the time. Some drunk Army guys tried to start shit with me and I let cooler heads prevail and in the end everyone gets along....maybe it's just because I'm white...or maybe I would just rather not pummel the life out of someone accidentally because it doesn't take much to kill someone even with just your hands....you punch someone and their head smacks the concrete too hard and all of a sudden your little street fight in a homicide....I don't like that idea, most people don't like that idea.

Now, what caused this situation to go from nothing happening to physical altercation ending in the death of a teenager?

There's your point of contention right there and I say had Trayvon left well enough alone, OR at the very least not started a fight he'd still be alive today. Ask George why he was following you, explain you were heading home and then it's not you in trouble it's Zimmerman for being overaggressive as a watchman. But you physically confront Zimmerman and start beating him up and tell him he's "Gonna die tonight" (that's what Trayvon said according to Zimmerman in the Police reports) and well something like THIS happens.

Why are you assuming that an unarmed teenager started a fight? Because the guy who shot him dead told you so ? Why should you believe anything Zimmerman says ? Why has the possibility that Zimmerman attacked Martin never occurred to you? What happened to the American ideal of freedom? Why are you again assuming Martin was over aggressive? Why are you assuming that Martin confronted Zimmerman? Why are you assuming that Martin not only started beating Zimmerman up but also that he said "Gonna Die tonight" ? Why do you want to believe everything Zimmerman says so much? Why are you saying that Trayvon should have left well alone when he was being pursued by someone who was expressly told by law enforcement NOT to pursue? Why didn't you think it appropriate that Zimmerman should be the one to walk away? He was the pursuer? Why Lyle? Why?

Zimmerman had the gun. Trayvon did not. Laws of the streets clearly state you don't bring knives to a gun fight and you most certainly don't bring fists to a gun fight. Trayvon did not follow the rules. Zimmerman did. Zimmerman won the fight. Therefore Zimmerman is in the right and what he says is true

Don't be so sure that Peruvian George follows any rules or thinks very highly of you foo

"I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!"

George Zimmerman

He doesn't have to. Rules are rules. He followed them The boy didn't. That's why he's still living and the boy is pushing up daisies.

[Beanz]

If following an unarmed teenager and then shooting him dead with a gun is in your eyes somehow a mark of being street savvy or following some kind of unwritten rule of "the streets" then I can not say I am at all surprised. If that is your reasoning for apportioning blame, then it puts you firmly in the same gutter with an excuse that cries, total and utter cowardice.

[Beanflicker]

If following an unarmed teenager and then shooting him dead with a gun is in your eyes somehow a mark of being street savvy or following some kind of unwritten rule of "the streets" then I can not say I am at all surprised. If that is your reasoning for apportioning blame, then it puts you firmly in the same gutter with an excuse that cries, total and utter cowardice.

That's an absolute bullshit way of simplifying it. Followed? Well yeah, he's the neighbourhood watch. Unarmed? Why does that matter? If you don't have a gun and the other guy does, does that give you the legal right to smash his head in just because he's annoying you? I guess Zimmerman should have just let the kid continue to smash his head in and risk permanent brain damage or death, because hey, he was just an "unarmed kid", right? Jesus Christ, what kind of world do some of you live in?

And of course people say "well that's just Zimmerman's account. I think Zimmerman started the fight." Yeah? The neighbourhood watch guy, the guy who was calling the police and KNEW they were on their way decided to start a brawl with the taller black guy? A guy who he thought might be a dangerous criminal. REALLY? People actually buy into that logic?

George Zimmerman is a PUSSY. He didn't confront the guy, he never would have had the balls to. He called the police and had the intentions of leaving it up to the professionals. Treyvon was annoyed by it and assaulted him.

Unfortunately, you don't get to assault people because they annoy you. And unfortunately for Treyvon, you don't have to let a guy smash your brains in because he's unarmed and you have a gun.