Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[IamInuit]

Ftr I also do not believe that Marquez's new chiseled look means he was juicing. When a guy of his stature goes on a special diet and hits the weights and tones up, a couple of pounds looks much more pronounced then the same weight gained by bigger men.

In addition his weight gain from the third fight was minimal and in fact only a pound. He actually dropped 2 pounds prior to the 4th fight against Fedchenko. If the guy was juicing surly he would put more weight on then a pound.

[cambay411]

Ftr I also do not believe that Marquez's new chiseled look means he was juicing. When a guy of his stature goes on a special diet and hits the weights and tones up, a couple of pounds looks much more pronounced then the same weight gained by bigger men.

In addition his weight gain from the third fight was minimal and in fact only a pound. He actually dropped 2 pounds prior to the 4th fight against Fedchenko. If the guy was juicing surly he would put more weight on then a pound.

If he wanted to put more weight on he would have if juicing but if he didn't want the extra weight he wouldn't have put it on.

Im not saying he did either. And if he was I wouldn't contribute the ko against Pac soley to juicing. How ever the juice could have gave him that extra snap, strength and endurance to get the ko.

Any fighter (or athlete) who uses PED's will get gains in weeks that would have normally taken months. That's unfair as shit especially in fighting.

[IamInuit]

Ftr I also do not believe that Marquez's new chiseled look means he was juicing. When a guy of his stature goes on a special diet and hits the weights and tones up, a couple of pounds looks much more pronounced then the same weight gained by bigger men.

In addition his weight gain from the third fight was minimal and in fact only a pound. He actually dropped 2 pounds prior to the 4th fight against Fedchenko. If the guy was juicing surly he would put more weight on then a pound.

If he wanted to put more weight on he would have if juicing but if he didn't want the extra weight he wouldn't have put it on.

Im not saying he did either. And if he was I wouldn't contribute the ko against Pac soley to juicing. How ever the juice could have gave him that extra snap, strength and endurance to get the ko.

Any fighter (or athlete) who uses PED's will get gains in weeks that would have normally taken months. That's unfair as shit especially in fighting.

He would have put more then a pound with that muscle look and would have probably been 147 not 143. His body is not any more proof of juicing then that punch was.

[cambay411]

Ftr I also do not believe that Marquez's new chiseled look means he was juicing. When a guy of his stature goes on a special diet and hits the weights and tones up, a couple of pounds looks much more pronounced then the same weight gained by bigger men.

In addition his weight gain from the third fight was minimal and in fact only a pound. He actually dropped 2 pounds prior to the 4th fight against Fedchenko. If the guy was juicing surly he would put more weight on then a pound.

If he wanted to put more weight on he would have if juicing but if he didn't want the extra weight he wouldn't have put it on.

Im not saying he did either. And if he was I wouldn't contribute the ko against Pac soley to juicing. How ever the juice could have gave him that extra snap, strength and endurance to get the ko.

Any fighter (or athlete) who uses PED's will get gains in weeks that would have normally taken months. That's unfair as shit especially in fighting.

He would have put more then a pound with that muscle look and would have probably been 147 not 143. His body is not any more proof of juicing then that punch was.

If he did it naturally he would have put on more than a pound with all that extra muscle.

[greynotsoold]

Ftr I also do not believe that Marquez's new chiseled look means he was juicing. When a guy of his stature goes on a special diet and hits the weights and tones up, a couple of pounds looks much more pronounced then the same weight gained by bigger men.

In addition his weight gain from the third fight was minimal and in fact only a pound. He actually dropped 2 pounds prior to the 4th fight against Fedchenko. If the guy was juicing surly he would put more weight on then a pound.

If he wanted to put more weight on he would have if juicing but if he didn't want the extra weight he wouldn't have put it on.

Im not saying he did either. And if he was I wouldn't contribute the ko against Pac soley to juicing. How ever the juice could have gave him that extra snap, strength and endurance to get the ko.

Any fighter (or athlete) who uses PED's will get gains in weeks that would have normally taken months. That's unfair as shit especially in fighting.

He would have put more then a pound with that muscle look and would have probably been 147 not 143. His body is not any more proof of juicing then that punch was.

He'd been trying to time Pac for how many rounds? Finally nailed it, and him.

[cambay411]

Not to mention Pac has probably used PED's for years so if JMM did use for that fight then he just evened the field a bit. That KO probably should have happened in the first fight.

[IamInuit]

Ftr I also do not believe that Marquez's new chiseled look means he was juicing. When a guy of his stature goes on a special diet and hits the weights and tones up, a couple of pounds looks much more pronounced then the same weight gained by bigger men.

In addition his weight gain from the third fight was minimal and in fact only a pound. He actually dropped 2 pounds prior to the 4th fight against Fedchenko. If the guy was juicing surly he would put more weight on then a pound.

If he wanted to put more weight on he would have if juicing but if he didn't want the extra weight he wouldn't have put it on.

Im not saying he did either. And if he was I wouldn't contribute the ko against Pac soley to juicing. How ever the juice could have gave him that extra snap, strength and endurance to get the ko.

Any fighter (or athlete) who uses PED's will get gains in weeks that would have normally taken months. That's unfair as shit especially in fighting.

He would have put more then a pound with that muscle look and would have probably been 147 not 143. His body is not any more proof of juicing then that punch was.

He'd been trying to time Pac for how many rounds? Finally nailed it, and him.

Agreed as you know.

[Mr140]

Cam are you telling me that journeyman don't juice they probably do it more then top guys but still cant win because they cant box well enough. It really is only unfair if most people aren't doing which i do not think is the case. If they are going to make the tests such joke they might as well make it legal to do.

[cambay411]

Cam are you telling me that journeyman don't juice they probably do it more then top guys but still cant win because they cant box well enough. It really is only unfair if most people aren't doing which i do not think is the case. If they are going to make the tests such joke they might as well make it legal to do.

No doubt journey men do.

Lets use this JMM vs Pac fight again for example. Pac is probably a rager. PED's likely gave him the ability, reaction, strength and reflexes to stay with JMM for 3 fights.

JMM comes in shredded for the 4th fight. Better than hes ever looked and at the age of 38!!! All the sudden the playing field is even and he KO's Pac in 6.

On an even playing field it would have been far more likely to happen in the first fight. Not to mention to 2nd and 3rd.