Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[Beanflicker]

my roided gran would batter my non roided gran

Not really. Steroids help you to better recover from workouts and use the food you eat to better service your body. If your granny shot up steroids without any training regimine or clean eating, she'd put on fat, her blood pressure and cholesterol would go through the roof and she'd be bloated from water retention.

They aren't the magic bullet that people think they are.

[erics44]

my roided gran would batter my non roided gran

Not really. Steroids help you to better recover from workouts and use the food you eat to better service your body. If your granny shot up steroids without any training regimine or clean eating, she'd put on fat, her blood pressure and cholesterol would go through the roof and she'd be bloated from water retention.

They aren't the magic bullet that people think they are.

naa man

if my gran did steroids and didnt train after several weeks of her cycle she would be able to bench press more than she would have done not on the cycle, perhaps only a few lbs if she didnt train correctly

steroids improve your performance

not training on steriods doesnt make you fat unless you eat more than normal, you might appear bigger because of water retention

colesterol, blood pressure, heart rate may all increase depending on her reaction

long term steroids arent a magic bullet unless you take them and approach it right, you dont automatically get bigger muscles unless you eat right and train right, whilst taking steroids tho you will be able to lift more

[Beanflicker]

if my gran did steroids and didnt train after several weeks of her cycle she would be able to bench press more than she would have done not on the cycle,

How did you reach that conclusion?

[Master]

When was Evander Holyfield’s prime?

[erics44]

if my gran did steroids and didnt train after several weeks of her cycle she would be able to bench press more than she would have done not on the cycle,

How did you reach that conclusion?

its just a fact, there are short term immediate benefits to taking steroids

you start a cycle today, you could take dbol and it would kick in after a week or two

do a bench press before you start see how much you can lift

do nothing else, eat macdonalds and pizzas everyday, do nothing but watch TV

after a couple of weeks of the cycle do another bench press see how much your lift has improved, continue taking it, add a bit of test to your cycle, do another bench press, when the test kicks in do another bench press

see how much more you can lift

[Beanflicker]

its just a fact, there are short term immediate benefits to taking steroids

you start a cycle today, you could take dbol and it would kick in after a week or two

do a bench press before you start see how much you can lift

do nothing else, eat macdonalds and pizzas everyday, do nothing but watch TV

after a couple of weeks of the cycle do another bench press see how much your lift has improved, continue taking it, add a bit of test to your cycle, do another bench press, when the test kicks in do another bench press

see how much more you can lift

I've never seen any science or even any first-hand info from roid users that would support that.

Taking steroids and sitting at home doing nothing and eating shitty will make you a fat motherfucker, it's not going to help you.

[erics44]

its just a fact, there are short term immediate benefits to taking steroids

you start a cycle today, you could take dbol and it would kick in after a week or two

do a bench press before you start see how much you can lift

do nothing else, eat macdonalds and pizzas everyday, do nothing but watch TV

after a couple of weeks of the cycle do another bench press see how much your lift has improved, continue taking it, add a bit of test to your cycle, do another bench press, when the test kicks in do another bench press

see how much more you can lift

I've never seen any science or even any first-hand info from roid users that would support that.

Taking steroids and sitting at home doing nothing and eating shitty will make you a fat motherfucker, it's not going to help you.

not taking steroids and sitting at home doing nothing and eating shitty will make you a fat motherfucker, its not going to help you

steroids dont make you fat, eating too much and not excersizing makes you fat

steroids improve your performance and you dont have to do anything other than take steroids to improve your performance

if you take steroids and have the right exercise/diet plan the effects can be long term

and i dont even know why we are talking about this anyway, professional boxers do have the right training plan and diets so they will make the most of the roids

[Beanflicker]

steroids dont make you fat, eating too much and not excersizing makes you fat

steroids improve your performance and you dont have to do anything other than take steroids to improve your performance

We're talking about this because the statements you are making (like the ones above) are simply not true. Steroids promote the retention of water and fat.

Muscle is formed from the breaking down of the muscle (caused by exertion of the muscle through exercise) and the rebuilding. If you don't do anything, you're not going to have any gains and you'll suffer through the side effects anyway.

[cambay411]

my roided gran would batter my non roided gran

Not really. Steroids help you to better recover from workouts and use the food you eat to better service your body. If your granny shot up steroids without any training regimine or clean eating, she'd put on fat, her blood pressure and cholesterol would go through the roof and she'd be bloated from water retention.

They aren't the magic bullet that people think they are.

Here energy levels, endurance and intensity would increase, allowing her to immediately batter her old self with one dose.

[Beanflicker]

Here energy levels, endurance and intensity would increase.

How do you figure that would happen without training, mate?

[cambay411]

Here energy levels, endurance and intensity would increase.

How do you figure that would happen without training, mate?

Because thats what it does. Ask a user. They take it right before a work out to get pumped and work out longer.

[Beanflicker]

Because thats what it does. Ask a user. They take it right before a work out to get pumped and work out longer.

The key phrase is "before a work out"... because they don't offer any benefits if you aren't training. That was my only point: it's not like you just inject steroids, do nothing and they do great things for you. They are just a tool to help you get more out of workouts.

[El Kabong]

Because thats what it does. Ask a user. They take it right before a work out to get pumped and work out longer.

The key phrase is "before a work out"... because they don't offer any benefits if you aren't training. That was my only point: it's not like you just inject steroids, do nothing and they do great things for you. They are just a tool to help you get more out of workouts.

And help you recover after workouts so you can hit the gym harder the next day.

[Beanflicker]

Because thats what it does. Ask a user. They take it right before a work out to get pumped and work out longer.

The key phrase is "before a work out"... because they don't offer any benefits if you aren't training. That was my only point: it's not like you just inject steroids, do nothing and they do great things for you. They are just a tool to help you get more out of workouts.

And help you recover after workouts so you can hit the gym harder the next day.

Yeah! More gains when you do stuff... but to get any gains, you have to do something! Haha, it'd be great if you could just give yourself a shot of steroids and the next day look like Arnold circa 1978. I'd do it!

[Mr140]

Peds are just a supplement that most pro use if not all and it does not make that big of a difference to me if they used them or not. For all i know most of the heavyweights today use them as for every other weight class. Why not use them give me a reason if most people use them already why keep it banned it goes against progress. As your question Master Holyfeilds prime was over after the second Bowie fight he started having hart problems and also think got hep b as well after that fight some time after. I mean he was already fighting for 10 years and with bigger guys for most and was in his 30's.