Fury is a joke.

[ryanman]

Im not saying Valuev is good. Although I dont think anyone should be criticising a fighter who ended his carear 50-2. But he is far better then anyone Fury has fought.

But the best you can offer is Valuev. Fury has beaten the then undefeated Chisora who went life and death with Vitali.

Chisora is probably not a good one to pick when discussing the records of Haye and Fury.

[ninjaspy3]

Im not saying Valuev is good. Although I dont think anyone should be criticising a fighter who ended his carear 50-2. But he is far better then anyone Fury has fought.

But the best you can offer is Valuev. Fury has beaten the then undefeated Chisora who went life and death with Vitali.

Chisora is probably not a good one to pick when discussing the records of Haye and Fury.

Chisora was highly regarded after going 12 with Vitali. Haye kos Chisora and suddenly hes no good?

[p4pking]

Im not saying Valuev is good. Although I dont think anyone should be criticising a fighter who ended his carear 50-2. But he is far better then anyone Fury has fought.

But the best you can offer is Valuev. Fury has beaten the then undefeated Chisora who went life and death with Vitali.

Chisora is probably not a good one to pick when discussing the records of Haye and Fury.

Chisora was highly regarded after going 12 with Vitali. Haye kos Chisora and suddenly hes no good?

Uh, no... THat was exactly Ryans point lol. Haye dealt with a fit and hungry Chisora a lot better than Fury did a completely out of shape one.

[ross]

Watch out, p4pking will be snivelling in to his hanky about quotes

Im not saying Valuev is good. Although I dont think anyone should be criticising a fighter who ended his carear 50-2. But he is far better then anyone Fury has fought.

I nearly agree with you but I meant dangerous as in a danger of getting stopped. When you are 7,2" and you cant hurt a 47 year old Holyfield you are not dangerous but out of everyone, that really is it isnt it

Haye has hoodwinked people in to thinking he's had some kind of hall of fame career not that the only names he's beaten aren't very good. Mormeck, Macaranelli, Valuev, Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora are not the stuff of legend and his big chance ended in dismal embarrasment.

[ross]

Im not saying Valuev is good. Although I dont think anyone should be criticising a fighter who ended his carear 50-2. But he is far better then anyone Fury has fought.

But the best you can offer is Valuev. Fury has beaten the then undefeated Chisora who went life and death with Vitali.

Chisora is probably not a good one to pick when discussing the records of Haye and Fury.

Chisora was highly regarded after going 12 with Vitali. Haye kos Chisora and suddenly hes no good?

Uh, no... THat was exactly Ryans point lol. Haye dealt with a fit and hungry Chisora a lot better than Fury did a completely out of shape one.

Fury faced a fresh, u defeated hungry version.

Not a tired journeyman that had lost to Fury, Helenius and Vitali

[Dark Lord Al]

Watch out, p4pking will be snivelling in to his hanky about quotes

Im not saying Valuev is good. Although I dont think anyone should be criticising a fighter who ended his carear 50-2. But he is far better then anyone Fury has fought.

I nearly agree with you but I meant dangerous as in a danger of getting stopped. When you are 7,2" and you cant hurt a 47 year old Holyfield you are not dangerous but out of everyone, that really is it isnt it

Haye has hoodwinked people in to thinking he's had some kind of hall of fame career not that the only names he's beaten aren't very good. Mormeck, Macaranelli, Valuev, Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora are not the stuff of legend and his big chance ended in dismal embarrasment.

And that point makes the pikey good?, and makes him able to take a big punch how ?
I don't think anyone is saying Haye is a great HW , but the fact we think he would easily KO Fury , sums up what we think of Fury.
That is the point of this thread.

[p4pking]

Im not saying Valuev is good. Although I dont think anyone should be criticising a fighter who ended his carear 50-2. But he is far better then anyone Fury has fought.

But the best you can offer is Valuev. Fury has beaten the then undefeated Chisora who went life and death with Vitali.

Chisora is probably not a good one to pick when discussing the records of Haye and Fury.

Chisora was highly regarded after going 12 with Vitali. Haye kos Chisora and suddenly hes no good?

Uh, no... THat was exactly Ryans point lol. Haye dealt with a fit and hungry Chisora a lot better than Fury did a completely out of shape one.

Fury faced a fresh, u defeated hungry version.

Not a tired journeyman that had lost to Fury, Helenius and Vitali

If that is actually what you believe, then you're clearly best left entitled to such illusions. Tyson Fury himself could debate astrophysics better than you can boxing.

[ross]

Watch out, p4pking will be snivelling in to his hanky about quotes

Im not saying Valuev is good. Although I dont think anyone should be criticising a fighter who ended his carear 50-2. But he is far better then anyone Fury has fought.

I nearly agree with you but I meant dangerous as in a danger of getting stopped. When you are 7,2" and you cant hurt a 47 year old Holyfield you are not dangerous but out of everyone, that really is it isnt it

Haye has hoodwinked people in to thinking he's had some kind of hall of fame career not that the only names he's beaten aren't very good. Mormeck, Macaranelli, Valuev, Ruiz, Harrison and Chisora are not the stuff of legend and his big chance ended in dismal embarrasment.

And that point makes the pikey good?, and makes him able to take a big punch how ?
I don't think anyone is saying Haye is a great HW , but the fact we think he would easily KO Fury , sums up what we think of Fury.
That is the point of this thread.

If Cassius Clay was around now and hed just been dropped by a 185lb Henry Cooper and a 195lb Sonny Banks, who would you have put your money on before the Liston Fight?

[p4pking]

Did you just bring up Muhammad Ali in order to support your case for Tyson Fury THis is comedy gold Ross, you're killing it

[Dark Lord Al]

Did you just bring up Muhammad Ali in order to support your case for Tyson Fury THis is comedy gold Ross, you're killing it

I have to agree with this point , the only way Ross can justify anything about Fury is to bring up totally unrelated points , he must be part of the Fury clan , he certainly seems stupid enough.

[p4pking]

Did you just bring up Muhammad Ali in order to support your case for Tyson Fury THis is comedy gold Ross, you're killing it

I have to agree with this point , the only way Ross can justify anything about Fury is to bring up totally unrelated points , he must be part of the Fury clan , he certainly seems stupid enough.

HAha, I really think he's just having a laugh at this point. In his defence though, bringing up related points about Tyson Fury in the discussion of him being anything but pure shit is more or less impossible.

[Fenster]

Fury being a bigger star than Haye and single-handedly selling the fight is most laughable.

Twitter followers

Fury - 108,000

Haye - 917,000

[Dark Lord Al]

Fury being a bigger star than Haye and single-handedly selling the fight is most laughable.

Twitter followers

Fury - 108,000

Haye - 917,000

That is the point , Ross likes Fury which is fine , but we are fans to, and the rest of us are telling him , Haye is the bigger name , we the paying public , however his love affair with Fury clouds his ability to fucking understand that.

[Fenster]

Fury being a bigger star than Haye and single-handedly selling the fight is most laughable.

Twitter followers

Fury - 108,000

Haye - 917,000

That is the point , Ross likes Fury which is fine , but we are fans to, and the rest of us are telling him , Haye is the bigger name , we the paying public , however his love affair with Fury clouds his ability to fucking understand that.

Ross hates Haye more than he loves Fury. Trust me. He will never give him credit for anything, bit like you with Calzaghe ().

[ross]

At this moment in Furys career, he is undefeated and is yet to fight for a world title, he is only a pro of four and a half years. Haye at this point was also yet to fight for a world title and had been dropped a few times and stopped. I mentioned Cassius Clay because he also looked like shit getting dropped a couple of times before his world title shot.

Haye is hound to be more well known than Fury, or he should be, hes been a pro 11 years!

All im saying, is ignore (if you can) what comes out of his mouth and look at his results. At comparative times in their careers Fury is actually one up on Haye as he hasnt been beaten by a retired 40 year old. I dont hate Haye, I just cant get behind him because his style is dull to me. Hes ok when he actually lets his combinations go but other than that he plods around sideways with that low left. I like my fighters to fight, even if it looks messy, you end up with an actual fight. They force the opponent to fight. The best win in my eyes on Hayes record is the result against Chisora but you then have to look at Chisora and realise he had 3 losses and one of them was losing his unbeaten record to Fury and then it puts that result in to perspective.