Duran : In My Era, Mayweather Would Have Been Ordinary

[imp]

I think Floyd is much better than an ordinary fighter in the 70's and 80's - he is very smart and adaptable in the ring. The title of the article is ridiculous. If he said that Floyd wouldn't have been undefeated, I can go with that.

Exactly and that will probably be the one thing other then the phantom fight that historians will hold against him. His inactivity levels. However I suppose one has to take into account that he made on average 20 million dollars a fight while guys like Montiel never got a 7 figure payday until he fought Donaire. People keep accusing him of ducking but it simply cant be shown. Would other fighters have fought as much as they did earning that kind of money? No way to show that w/o a time machine. Had he been in the era of the fab 4 or 5 he most likely would have fought all of them or most of them.
I don't think he'd fare all that well against Duran at 135 but when you see how Duran struggled against Benitez its certainly not far fetched that he would struggle with Floyd at 147 or 154.

He didn't make 7 figures for the Donaire fight

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

We will never know how duran would fair in this era and floyd in durans era.

Lets also not discredit other current fighters as duran is not everyones ATG.

Floyd has the advantage over duran and obviously duran is jealous to be making those comments.

Theres no escaping the fact duran was a great lightweight and he would be a problem in any era but i just feel he wouldnt beat floyd.

Just like a prime vlad wouldnt beat a prime larry holmes..it works both ways.

Wlad would be a bad styles match up for Holmes.

Holmes was so skilled with a great heart and fast hands.
Over 15 rounds it would be even worse for Wlad.
Wlad is massive and has all the size advantages but that would not save him.
Holmes never got the respect he deserved. Even after being floored by one of the hardest hitters in the game in earnie shavers and still coming back to win the fight.

Duran has a great chin, power and heart (when he doesnt quit) but the slick style of floyd would be too much for him and floyd would be left to battle it out with leonard and hearns for that top spot.

[El Kabong]

Holmes was so skilled with a great heart and fast hands.
Over 15 rounds it would be even worse for Wlad.
Wlad is massive and has all the size advantages but that would not save him.
Holmes never got the respect he deserved. Even after being floored by one of the hardest hitters in the game in earnie shavers and still coming back to win the fight.

Duran has a great chin, power and heart (when he doesnt quit) but the slick style of floyd would be too much for him and floyd would be left to battle it out with leonard and hearns for that top spot.

OK, so allow me to get this straight. With Duran you're saying and I quote

"Exactly.

Thats the point.

No one would ever know"

But with Wladimir you're saying with certainty, no doubts, 100% sure that he'd lose to Larry Holmes.


Do you kinda sorta see how that might, maybe, just possibly perhaps be a bit hypocritical?


The problem you have @imp is that the only person trying to completely discredit a fighter here is YOU. You're attempting to discredit Wladimir Klitschko and in bringing him up to begin with you've lost the argument because you've veered so far off topic. This is about what Roberto Duran said about Floyd Mayweather Jr why does Wlad factor into this? Why bring him up? Just because someone suggests Floyd would have struggled vs some of the greatest fighters ever, in one of the deepest divisions ever....you're THAT upset about a tiny bit of criticism?

OK guys, new rule, no more saying anything remotely negative about Floyd Mayweather Jr., his fans can't take it

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Okay so we've already established (I should but never ever read articles from these less-than-credible websites) that Duran was really referring to Mayweather's opposition or this Era as a whole, so beyond that, I guess I can only remark that the WW and LMW of the 80's were better than those of more recent times.

Which I think is fair.

The lightweights of the 70's against the lightweights of the late 90's/ early 00's, I'll be honest, I really ain't too sure??

[imp]

Holmes was so skilled with a great heart and fast hands.
Over 15 rounds it would be even worse for Wlad.
Wlad is massive and has all the size advantages but that would not save him.
Holmes never got the respect he deserved. Even after being floored by one of the hardest hitters in the game in earnie shavers and still coming back to win the fight.

Duran has a great chin, power and heart (when he doesnt quit) but the slick style of floyd would be too much for him and floyd would be left to battle it out with leonard and hearns for that top spot.

OK, so allow me to get this straight. With Duran you're saying and I quote

"Exactly.

Thats the point.

No one would ever know"

But with Wladimir you're saying with certainty, no doubts, 100% sure that he'd lose to Larry Holmes.


Do you kinda sorta see how that might, maybe, just possibly perhaps be a bit hypocritical?


The problem you have @imp is that the only person trying to completely discredit a fighter here is YOU. You're attempting to discredit Wladimir Klitschko and in bringing him up to begin with you've lost the argument because you've veered so far off topic. This is about what Roberto Duran said about Floyd Mayweather Jr why does Wlad factor into this? Why bring him up? Just because someone suggests Floyd would have struggled vs some of the greatest fighters ever, in one of the deepest divisions ever....you're THAT upset about a tiny bit of criticism?

OK guys, new rule, no more saying anything remotely negative about Floyd Mayweather Jr., his fans can't take it

Lool

Ek, please go back to the start of the thread and you will clearly see i never brought Wlad into this discussion!

Jeez, as soon as Wlad is even mentioned you start getting nasty.

I said many times in my post to keep on track and stick with duran/floyd.

Floyd is not perfect which is why i said many times i wouldnt know how he would fair against leonard or hearn.

BUT i am sure that duran would not pose as much as a problem in the squared circle to floyd as you mentioned would never have the balls to fight a fighter like duran anyway...

[Onetime]

You know the Floyd fans are on the ropes when they're trying to defend Floyd by trying to make the discussion about Wlad. And the stupidity of it is that NOBODY is trying to make the case that Floyd sucks or isn't great.....such delicate feelings you have

Again you are the one who loves a boxer with no great names on his resume, if Floyd had beat Martinez, Williams, prime Cotto and Manny he wouldn't get credit from you anyway.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd is an ATG in any era. His combination of skill, freakish athletic ability, ring generalship and DISCIPLINE are, at least in my opinion, unmatched in the history of boxing.

Would he have had a tough time against guys like Leonard and Hearns? Sure. They are ATG fighters. Might he have lost to them? It's certainly possible.

But nobody is going to tell me that Floyd doesn't belong with those guys.

And here's another fact that a lot of you might not like: Floyd eats Duran alive. Floyd is absolute poison for Duran.

[El Kabong]

Lool

Ek, please go back to the start of the thread and you will clearly see i never brought Wlad into this discussion!

Jeez, as soon as Wlad is even mentioned you start getting nasty.

I said many times in my post to keep on track and stick with duran/floyd.

Floyd is not perfect which is why i said many times i wouldnt know how he would fair against leonard or hearn.

BUT i am sure that duran would not pose as much as a problem in the squared circle to floyd as you mentioned would never have the balls to fight a fighter like duran anyway...

I take it that Reading Comprehension is not your strong suit.

I said Floyd would never fight someone like Duran and never will fight someone the caliber of Duran not because Floyd is "scared" but because Roberto Duran was that fucking good that there have been very few who even come close to his brilliance in the ring. It's not about Floyd being scared it's about Duran being a once in a lifetime fighter and an all-time great. And yet again, nobody is making the argument that Floyd is bad or Floyd sucks or Floyd isn't a Hall of Famer, All-Time great....Roberto Duran said he would have trouble with the guys he fought is all and rightfully so: Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, Gomez...those guys are legends.

Onetime brought Wlad into the discussion, but you called me the "Wlad fan club" after my very first post in this thread, then you said

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

alluding once again to Wlad. But yet you strove to "stay on topic" did you? You retreated from Onetime's indefensible argument is what you did.

I've not gotten nasty at all, I believe my arguments have been very even handed and if anything I have posted has been "nasty" I'll let any poster call me out on it.

[El Kabong]

You know the Floyd fans are on the ropes when they're trying to defend Floyd by trying to make the discussion about Wlad. And the stupidity of it is that NOBODY is trying to make the case that Floyd sucks or isn't great.....such delicate feelings you have

Again you are the one who loves a boxer with no great names on his resume, if Floyd had beat Martinez, Williams, prime Cotto and Manny he wouldn't get credit from you anyway.

I've given Floyd plenty of credit....is it horrible of me that I wish the best fighter of this era to challenge himself? Is that so terrible of me? I mean I wanted RJJ to challenge himself when he was on top of his game....nobody called me out on that.

Get a fucking grip

[Onetime]

Lool

Ek, please go back to the start of the thread and you will clearly see i never brought Wlad into this discussion!

Jeez, as soon as Wlad is even mentioned you start getting nasty.

I said many times in my post to keep on track and stick with duran/floyd.

Floyd is not perfect which is why i said many times i wouldnt know how he would fair against leonard or hearn.

BUT i am sure that duran would not pose as much as a problem in the squared circle to floyd as you mentioned would never have the balls to fight a fighter like duran anyway...

I take it that Reading Comprehension is not your strong suit.

I said Floyd would never fight someone like Duran and never will fight someone the caliber of Duran not because Floyd is "scared" but because Roberto Duran was that fucking good that there have been very few who even come close to his brilliance in the ring. It's not about Floyd being scared it's about Duran being a once in a lifetime fighter and an all-time great. And yet again, nobody is making the argument that Floyd is bad or Floyd sucks or Floyd isn't a Hall of Famer, All-Time great....Roberto Duran said he would have trouble with the guys he fought is all and rightfully so: Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, Gomez...those guys are legends.

Onetime brought Wlad into the discussion, but you called me the "Wlad fan club" after my very first post in this thread, then you said

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

eluding once again to Wlad. But yet you strove to "stay on topic" did you? You retreated from Onetime's indefensible argument is what you did.

I've not gotten nasty at all, I believe my arguments have been very even handed and if anything I have posted has been "nasty" I'll let any poster call me out on it.

Look in 20 years we'll look back at Floyd and say how great he is, in 20 years will say Wlad got lucky to reign over a dead era and the Lewis fight proves it, Golota would reign over this era.

[Onetime]

You know the Floyd fans are on the ropes when they're trying to defend Floyd by trying to make the discussion about Wlad. And the stupidity of it is that NOBODY is trying to make the case that Floyd sucks or isn't great.....such delicate feelings you have

Again you are the one who loves a boxer with no great names on his resume, if Floyd had beat Martinez, Williams, prime Cotto and Manny he wouldn't get credit from you anyway.

I've given Floyd plenty of credit....is it horrible of me that I wish the best fighter of this era to challenge himself? Is that so terrible of me? I mean I wanted RJJ to challenge himself when he was on top of his game....nobody called me out on that.

Get a fucking grip

I think you are confused you sound like the emotional one, I've rooted against Floyd many times I'm just realistic you sound like one of those casuals who say oh Floyd he isn't so good Manny would have fucked him up.

[Kirkland Laing]

Lets flip the script.

Would duran even survive in floyds era.

Dont be surprised if a prime cotto gets him out by 8 via bodyshots.

A prime roid mosley destroys duran in 6.

Obviously these fights wont occur but dont underestimate what we have today in boxing.

This is our era.

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

Ps:- would duran even beat manny pac?

How much would Duran benefit by moving up in weight in the steroid/PED era? You've got guys starting at 106 and knocking people out at 147 and career featherweights suddenly becoming musclebound welters at forty years old and scoring one-punch KOs. When Duran moved up his body looked like JMM's did for the Mayweather fight. It'd be a different story today.

[Kirkland Laing]

Duran is considered an ATG by most knowledgeable people in boxing.
He's just never been known much for his diplomacy (ie: he doesn't have any).

He wasn't known for his love of cats either.

[Fenster]

Lool

Ek, please go back to the start of the thread and you will clearly see i never brought Wlad into this discussion!

Jeez, as soon as Wlad is even mentioned you start getting nasty.

I said many times in my post to keep on track and stick with duran/floyd.

Floyd is not perfect which is why i said many times i wouldnt know how he would fair against leonard or hearn.

BUT i am sure that duran would not pose as much as a problem in the squared circle to floyd as you mentioned would never have the balls to fight a fighter like duran anyway...

I take it that Reading Comprehension is not your strong suit.

I said Floyd would never fight someone like Duran and never will fight someone the caliber of Duran not because Floyd is "scared" but because Roberto Duran was that fucking good that there have been very few who even come close to his brilliance in the ring. It's not about Floyd being scared it's about Duran being a once in a lifetime fighter and an all-time great. And yet again, nobody is making the argument that Floyd is bad or Floyd sucks or Floyd isn't a Hall of Famer, All-Time great....Roberto Duran said he would have trouble with the guys he fought is all and rightfully so: Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, Gomez...those guys are legends.

Onetime brought Wlad into the discussion, but you called me the "Wlad fan club" after my very first post in this thread, then you said

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

eluding once again to Wlad. But yet you strove to "stay on topic" did you? You retreated from Onetime's indefensible argument is what you did.

I've not gotten nasty at all, I believe my arguments have been very even handed and if anything I have posted has been "nasty" I'll let any poster call me out on it.

Look in 20 years we'll look back at Floyd and say how great he is, in 20 years will say Wlad got lucky to reign over a dead era and the Lewis fight proves it, Golota would reign over this era.

That's the second time in this thread you've said Lewis proves how Lucky Wlad is. Now you either have a fantastic theory about Lewis and Wlad or you don't realise Wlad and Vitali are different human beings?

Explain it please?

[Dia bando]

Could you SEE Floyd going 15 round with Hagler, I could see the brown adrenaline running
down Floyd's leg.

[Onetime]

Lool

Ek, please go back to the start of the thread and you will clearly see i never brought Wlad into this discussion!

Jeez, as soon as Wlad is even mentioned you start getting nasty.

I said many times in my post to keep on track and stick with duran/floyd.

Floyd is not perfect which is why i said many times i wouldnt know how he would fair against leonard or hearn.

BUT i am sure that duran would not pose as much as a problem in the squared circle to floyd as you mentioned would never have the balls to fight a fighter like duran anyway...

I take it that Reading Comprehension is not your strong suit.

I said Floyd would never fight someone like Duran and never will fight someone the caliber of Duran not because Floyd is "scared" but because Roberto Duran was that fucking good that there have been very few who even come close to his brilliance in the ring. It's not about Floyd being scared it's about Duran being a once in a lifetime fighter and an all-time great. And yet again, nobody is making the argument that Floyd is bad or Floyd sucks or Floyd isn't a Hall of Famer, All-Time great....Roberto Duran said he would have trouble with the guys he fought is all and rightfully so: Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, Gomez...those guys are legends.

Onetime brought Wlad into the discussion, but you called me the "Wlad fan club" after my very first post in this thread, then you said

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

eluding once again to Wlad. But yet you strove to "stay on topic" did you? You retreated from Onetime's indefensible argument is what you did.

I've not gotten nasty at all, I believe my arguments have been very even handed and if anything I have posted has been "nasty" I'll let any poster call me out on it.

Look in 20 years we'll look back at Floyd and say how great he is, in 20 years will say Wlad got lucky to reign over a dead era and the Lewis fight proves it, Golota would reign over this era.

That's the second time in this thread you've said Lewis proves how Lucky Wlad is. Now you either have a fantastic theory about Lewis and Wlad or you don't realise Wlad and Vitali are different human beings?

Explain it please?

My fault I pretty much consider them one person named K2 or The Kilts, same point they are Golotas who got lucky