Russia vs Ukraine..

[El Kabong]

NATO don't want to get involved. Neither do America. They're not going to get involved militarily just like they didn't back in 2008 when Russia invaded South Ossetia. The only people advocating any kind of military involvement are a bunch of US politicians who are just taking part in US political theatre and don't really mean it and idiot US TV pundits who thought invading Iraq would be a cakewalk and always want other people to go and fight all over the world any time there's any kind of conflict. So apart from a bunch of bullshitters/proven idiots nobody wants the military to get involved.

Exactly what would you have NATO do anyway?

Kirkland what part of invading Iraq was difficult? If you're talking about holding the nation that's one thing, but the actual invasion was one of the greatest showings of military might and technology the world has ever seen. The Coalition Forces didn't even lose 200 men taking over an entire country......AN ENTIRE COUNTRY. And it's not like the Iraqis didn't know we were coming either. But hey I'm no fool, I know better than to think you would ever give the United States and their Allies any credit at all because you're a bitter bitter man.

I'm not calling for a war with Russia, I'm calling for NATO to do their job regarding their Partnership for Peace alliance (of which Ukraine is a member). NATO is a dominant enough military force to where they don't need to send 100% of their forces in, just enough to have a presence on the ground ensure peace, supply aide (if needed), make sure citizens rights are upheld, and to keep Russia honest. If by happenstance NATO peacekeepers were to get fired on....THEN there would be an issue, a big one.

You bring up Georgia and South Ossetia seemingly without remembering the United States was in 2 wars at that time....which is no longer the case now.

You say "The Ukraine should break in two".....well Captain Happy that will do just fine to create MORE of a barrier between Europe and Russia and if you think that helps keep things peaceful and helps everyone get along you're dumber than I thought you were and that's saying something.

[Kirkland Laing]

NATO don't want to get involved. Neither do America. They're not going to get involved militarily just like they didn't back in 2008 when Russia invaded South Ossetia. The only people advocating any kind of military involvement are a bunch of US politicians who are just taking part in US political theatre and don't really mean it and idiot US TV pundits who thought invading Iraq would be a cakewalk and always want other people to go and fight all over the world any time there's any kind of conflict. So apart from a bunch of bullshitters/proven idiots nobody wants the military to get involved.

Exactly what would you have NATO do anyway?

Kirkland what part of invading Iraq was difficult? If you're talking about holding the nation that's one thing, but the actual invasion was one of the greatest showings of military might and technology the world has ever seen. The Coalition Forces didn't even lose 200 men taking over an entire country......AN ENTIRE COUNTRY. And it's not like the Iraqis didn't know we were coming either. But hey I'm no fool, I know better than to think you would ever give the United States and their Allies any credit at all because you're a bitter bitter man.

I'm not calling for a war with Russia, I'm calling for NATO to do their job regarding their Partnership for Peace alliance (of which Ukraine is a member). NATO is a dominant enough military force to where they don't need to send 100% of their forces in, just enough to have a presence on the ground ensure peace, supply aide (if needed), make sure citizens rights are upheld, and to keep Russia honest. If by happenstance NATO peacekeepers were to get fired on....THEN there would be an issue, a big one.

You bring up Georgia and South Ossetia seemingly without remembering the United States was in 2 wars at that time....which is no longer the case now.

You say "The Ukraine should break in two".....well Captain Happy that will do just fine to create MORE of a barrier between Europe and Russia and if you think that helps keep things peaceful and helps everyone get along you're dumber than I thought you were and that's saying something.

There is one main highway through Iraq from Kuwait that goes to Baghdad.The amazing invasion plan was drive up the highway from Kuwait to Baghdad. Apart from some isolated incidents the Iraqis just let the Americans get on with it. Nobody ever siad that America couldn't easily take Iraq over, it was what happened once they did that that was the difficult bit.

So would you send NATO troops into the Crimean peninsula?

[El Kabong]

There is one main highway through Iraq from Kuwait that goes to Baghdad.The amazing invasion plan was drive up the highway from Kuwait to Baghdad. Apart from some isolated incidents the Iraqis just let the Americans get on with it. Nobody ever siad that America couldn't easily take Iraq over, it was what happened once they did that that was the difficult bit.

So would you send NATO troops into the Crimean peninsula?

#1 then that means it wouldn't be the "invasion" part that would be difficult then would it there Mr. Wordsmith? It would be the OCCUPATION that would be difficult and that was only difficult because of the small number of forces the Coalition Forces used AND the idiotic idea to oust 100% of everyone from Saddam down to the head dog catcher in bumfuck Iraq. We lost the stability of the status quo before rearranging things and that was the major issue...don't know how many times I have to go over that part but whatever.


#2 Yes, on a peace keeping mission. If the Russians are dumb enough to fire on NATO troops then well it would be time to set things right.


Listen I know Russia is feeling pretty fucking awesome at the moment due to their resurgent economy (based on oil production/drilling....kind of like what America COULD have if Obama wasn't such a fucking idiot) and they've had some little victories with their military as they've been unopposed by the "grown ups" of the world....but if the world doesn't hurry up and give Russia a reality check then the USSR is going to be back in a very big and very real way....and I'm certain YOU of all people will be wet your pants excited about your comrades getting their act together.

[El Kabong]

The problem with Obama is simple.

Obama: "Here's a red line, don't you dare step across it"

Putin: (steps over line) "What happens now?"


Obama: ___________________


It's that fucking simple. If I said "Stop it, or else" to a bully, and the bully kept being a bully with no repercussions then what the fuck do you think the bully is going to make of my next threats?

[Violent Demise]

The problem with Obama is simple.

Obama: "Here's a red line, don't you dare step across it"

Putin: (steps over line) "What happens now?"


Obama: ___________________


It's that fucking simple. If I said "Stop it, or else" to a bully, and the bully kept being a bully with no repercussions then what the fuck do you think the bully is going to make of my next threats?

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

[El Kabong]

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

No because W said he looked in Putin's soul and saw him as good, BUT W did have his history of following through with threats...I mean Saddam ain't talking much shit right now is he?

[imp]

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

No because W said he looked in Putin's soul and saw him as good, BUT W did have his history of following through with threats...I mean Saddam ain't talking much shit right now is he?

Saddam isnt putin.

No one wants it with russia.

For an american el kabong you seem to have a lot of support for that side of the world inc a certain boxer...nothing wrong with that, just an observation..

[Kirkland Laing]

The problem with Obama is simple.

Obama: "Here's a red line, don't you dare step across it"

Putin: (steps over line) "What happens now?"


Obama: ___________________


It's that fucking simple. If I said "Stop it, or else" to a bully, and the bully kept being a bully with no repercussions then what the fuck do you think the bully is going to make of my next threats?

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

In 2008 Russia invaded South Ossetia. Bush did exactly what Obama has done.

[Kirkland Laing]

The problem with Obama is simple.

Obama: "Here's a red line, don't you dare step across it"

Putin: (steps over line) "What happens now?"


Obama: ___________________


It's that fucking simple. If I said "Stop it, or else" to a bully, and the bully kept being a bully with no repercussions then what the fuck do you think the bully is going to make of my next threats?

What red line of Obama's did Putin step over?

[palmerq]

so now it seems crimea has been recognised as an independant country or whatever :S..... well if 95% of the people vote to leave the ukraine what can you do... I do wonder how genuine the vote is though ... very amusing political game going on though :S

[walrus]

Putin is a mentally unstable dictator

[Kirkland Laing]

There is one main highway through Iraq from Kuwait that goes to Baghdad.The amazing invasion plan was drive up the highway from Kuwait to Baghdad. Apart from some isolated incidents the Iraqis just let the Americans get on with it. Nobody ever siad that America couldn't easily take Iraq over, it was what happened once they did that that was the difficult bit.

So would you send NATO troops into the Crimean peninsula?

#1 then that means it wouldn't be the "invasion" part that would be difficult then would it there Mr. Wordsmith? It would be the OCCUPATION that would be difficult and that was only difficult because of the small number of forces the Coalition Forces used AND the idiotic idea to oust 100% of everyone from Saddam down to the head dog catcher in bumfuck Iraq. We lost the stability of the status quo before rearranging things and that was the major issue...don't know how many times I have to go over that part but whatever.


#2 Yes, on a peace keeping mission. If the Russians are dumb enough to fire on NATO troops then well it would be time to set things right.


Listen I know Russia is feeling pretty fucking awesome at the moment due to their resurgent economy (based on oil production/drilling....kind of like what America COULD have if Obama wasn't such a fucking idiot) and they've had some little victories with their military as they've been unopposed by the "grown ups" of the world....but if the world doesn't hurry up and give Russia a reality check then the USSR is going to be back in a very big and very real way....and I'm certain YOU of all people will be wet your pants excited about your comrades getting their act together.

Nobody in the States even mentioned any occupation problems. You lot were told the troops were going to get sweets and flowers thrown at them by different Iraqi ethnic groups who had no past history of conflict. Once the troops managed to drive up the only road in Iraq to Baghdad Bush changed the subject from the nonexistent WMDs to we have to stay there to bring them democracy, if we don't bring them democracy the terrorists win.

So you'd actually send NATO troops into an area of land full of Russian military bases and Russian troops. And if the Russians took exception to this you'd start a war. Luckily no NATO members or the United States, as back in 2008 in South Osseatia, are dumb or suicidal enough to want to send troops in. I don't even think there is a single US politician advocating sending troops in, even the ones who work for the US war industry. Just you.

And Russia hasn't won a victory here. Putin invaded the Crimea because everythinghe'd spent the last few years trying to do in Ukraine has failed dismally. The Russian version of Fox News is telling their bedwetters that the US/CIA/EU have overthrown a democratically elected government in the Ukraine and have extended the criminal EU a thousand miles east right to the Russian border since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Russia has blown through 15% of their foreign currency reserves propping up the rouble in the past week. Based on this and the prospect of sanctions and foreign customers buying energy elsewhere they don't have the income or the currency reserves to take over even other parts of the Ukraine that don't want them there.

They may just about afford to hang onto the Crimea. Forget about any other areas of the former Soviet Union, they just couldn't afford to fund any kind of extensive military occupation anywhere. As usual you're wetting the bed over nonexistent "threats" that have no basisi in reality.