03 Wladimir Klitchksco VS Joe Frazier

[TitoFan]

Wlad used to be all offense back in the days and id be shocked if frazier got past the early rds..

Foreman beat him around the ring like a midget rag doll.. wlad has the size, power, and the speed to get the job done even faster..

Hmm... not so fast. There's just one tiny, little detail you left out.....

Foreman wasn't afraid to get hit... and he could take a decent punch.
Wlad, especially early Wlad, was scared shitless of getting hit... and had/has the punch resistance of a wet paper bag.

Advantage: Frazier

[Max Power]

Wlad used to be all offense back in the days and id be shocked if frazier got past the early rds..

Foreman beat him around the ring like a midget rag doll.. wlad has the size, power, and the speed to get the job done even faster..

Hmm... not so fast. There's just one tiny, little detail you left out.....

Foreman wasn't afraid to get hit... and he could take a decent punch.
Wlad, especially early Wlad, was scared shitless of getting hit... and had/has the punch resistance of a wet paper bag.

Advantage: Frazier

Your kidding right?

Wladimir never faced an opponent as small as Frazier and he faced several opponents with as little 200+ experience early on in his career and he KO'd every single one of them within a few rounds! Does that mean anything?

Tell me something, when did the young, prime version of Foreman, the 220lb version, ever face an opponent as hard punching as Wladimir's opponents? Never! The hardest hitting opponent that Foreman faced was Ron Lyle and old Ron wasn't really a hard puncher by today's standards.

And he knocked Foreman down several times and almost out! Kind of reminiscent of Samuel Peter don't you think!

He was also dropped by featherfists!

None of this is relevant anyway because Frazier would not even land a single meaningful punch against Wladimir.

[bradlee180]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

[Max Power]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

[FinitoElDinamita]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

[Master]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

Who is then? Ask Holmes.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

Who is then? Ask Holmes.

There are couple of modern HWs who hits harder than Shavers .. for one, I have no doubt in my mind that Wilder's right is more damaging than anything shavers can throw..

We have to take the size of these two fighters and their oppositions into consideration when gauging their punching power.. shavers was 6ft which is tiny by todays standards.. there is no possible way that a 6ft powerpuncher can generate more muster their shots than a 6"6 power hitter who is able to get a lot more leverage on his punches.

Wilder's overall size and the leverage he gets on his punches is something Shavers can only dream of having..

Wilder is a harder puncher than shavers..

[Max Power]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

Who is then? Ask Holmes.

Why because Holmes alleged that Shavers was the hardest hitter he faced?

Well that kind of heresay is a bit worthless really for a start, but let's see.

Holmes got up to BEAT Shaver's so by claiming Shaver's hit hardest he pumps himself up because he beat him. We all know the hardest hitting opponent Holmes faced was Tyson because he canvas KO'd him for the only time in his career!