03 Wladimir Klitchksco VS Joe Frazier

[Master]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

Who is then? Ask Holmes.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

Who is then? Ask Holmes.

There are couple of modern HWs who hits harder than Shavers .. for one, I have no doubt in my mind that Wilder's right is more damaging than anything shavers can throw..

We have to take the size of these two fighters and their oppositions into consideration when gauging their punching power.. shavers was 6ft which is tiny by todays standards.. there is no possible way that a 6ft powerpuncher can generate more muster their shots than a 6"6 power hitter who is able to get a lot more leverage on his punches.

Wilder's overall size and the leverage he gets on his punches is something Shavers can only dream of having..

Wilder is a harder puncher than shavers..

[Master]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

Who is then? Ask Holmes.

There are couple of modern HWs who hits harder than Shavers .. for one, I have no doubt in my mind that Wilder's right is more damaging than anything shavers can throw..

We have to take the size of these two fighters and their oppositions into consideration when gauging their punching power.. shavers was 6ft which is tiny by todays standards.. there is no possible way that a 6ft powerpuncher can generate more muster their shots than a 6"6 power hitter who is able to get a lot more leverage on his punches.

Wilder's overall size and the leverage he gets on his punches is something Shavers can only dream of having..

Wilder is a harder puncher than shavers..

Tyson was under 6 foot and he hit harder than Wilder.

[Bo-Bo24]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

Who is then? Ask Holmes.

There are couple of modern HWs who hits harder than Shavers .. for one, I have no doubt in my mind that Wilder's right is more damaging than anything shavers can throw..

We have to take the size of these two fighters and their oppositions into consideration when gauging their punching power.. shavers was 6ft which is tiny by todays standards.. there is no possible way that a 6ft powerpuncher can generate more muster their shots than a 6"6 power hitter who is able to get a lot more leverage on his punches.

Wilder's overall size and the leverage he gets on his punches is something Shavers can only dream of having..

Wilder is a harder puncher than shavers..

Tyson was under 6 foot and he hit harder than Wilder.

I think Wilder is undoubtedly strong but you've got to look at the opponents he's faced being piss poor which makes him look much better. For example Hughie Fury who hasn't much power at the moment recently knocked out Matthew Greer faster than Wilder did last year. Is he as powerful as being made out?

[FinitoElDinamita]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

Who is then? Ask Holmes.

There are couple of modern HWs who hits harder than Shavers .. for one, I have no doubt in my mind that Wilder's right is more damaging than anything shavers can throw..

We have to take the size of these two fighters and their oppositions into consideration when gauging their punching power.. shavers was 6ft which is tiny by todays standards.. there is no possible way that a 6ft powerpuncher can generate more muster their shots than a 6"6 power hitter who is able to get a lot more leverage on his punches.

Wilder's overall size and the leverage he gets on his punches is something Shavers can only dream of having..

Wilder is a harder puncher than shavers..

Tyson was under 6 foot and he hit harder than Wilder.

Tyson's power came from speed and his opponents were hurt because they didnt see the shots coming. And on top of that, guys were scared before the bell even rang so often times they just went down out of fear...

There is a difference between a great puncher and powerful puncher.. for instance, Joe louis and Tyson I consider as great punchers due to their technique and shot placement..

George foreman may lack the technique of those two guys but he's heavy handed and I bet you his punches are much more damaging when landed flush..

Punch for punch, Wilder generates more power than Tyson..

[Master]

Shavers had natural power like Foreman, he was heavy handed too.

[Max Power]

Shavers had natural power like Foreman, he was heavy handed too.

Come on Master, you gotta be realistic here. I know you hate it when I mention size and weight but the average HW these days is about 230lbs and 6'3"-6'4"

Shavers at 6' and 200-210lbs would have been the smallest opponent that either Klitschko could ever face. He is the same size as a modern CW at fight night.

He enjoyed none of the modern power training that modern boxers do.

He threw everything into his shots with no regard for balance so yeah he hit hard but you are talking about a guy 2 or 3 weight ranges below the superheavyweights of today in reality.

Not saying this one did not hit hard but you can show me no opponent that Shavers has knocked out in 90 odd fights that goes any distance to prove he hit the hardest. Over 90 fights that is representative of his true place in heavyhandedness.

George Foreman was the hardest puncher of that era I have zero doubt.

[bradlee180]

Then by your reckoning, 7', 320 lb Nikolay Valuev should hit harder than all other Boxers ever as he's both taller and heavier, yet that's clearly not the case regarding his punching power.

What gives?!

[Max Power]

Earnie Shavers hit harder than them, and he was 6', 210 pounds.

Foreman did not fight Earnie Shavers.

And Shavers did not hit as hard as Wladimir's hard punching opponents. Obviously he would have hit harder than say Byrd and Chambers because he committed everything to it.

Shavers shows definite drop in knock out power the heftier his opponents got.

I think he could be considered the hardest puncher of the cruiserweight division maybe but not of HW. Against 200+ HW's his KOratio is in the 60 odd percentile, that's nothing special compare the the 70-80 odd for most power punchers. And against opponents the size of the average modern HW today, Shaver's KO ratio drops below Chris Byrd.

Summary: Shavers is dangerous mainly to bums, which he mainly fought, and cruiserweights which he also mainly fought.

The only time Shavers ever wasted a natural HW with a good record to my recollection was KEn Norton, a renowned glass jaw. Not impressive!

Definitely agree with this one. Shavers get so overrated but one thing is clear..

Shavers is NOT the hardest HW puncher of all-time... that's total bs

Who is then? Ask Holmes.

Why because Holmes alleged that Shavers was the hardest hitter he faced?

Well that kind of heresay is a bit worthless really for a start, but let's see.

Holmes got up to BEAT Shaver's so by claiming Shaver's hit hardest he pumps himself up because he beat him. We all know the hardest hitting opponent Holmes faced was Tyson because he canvas KO'd him for the only time in his career!