Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[ykdadamaja]

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

[Max Power]

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

[ykdadamaja]

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

[Max Power]

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

An opinion that makes common sense you mean

And those opponents were bad opponents that's true but then there have been good opponents too.

Besides, you cannot refer to them as "bums" exactly. Mormeck was a CW champion and Pianeta was big and undefeated.

What was the records like of Louis' opponents again

[ykdadamaja]

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

An opinion that makes common sense you mean

And those opponents were bad opponents that's true but then there have been good opponents too.

Besides, you cannot refer to them as "bums" exactly. Mormeck was a CW champion and Pianeta was big and undefeated.

What was the records like of Louis' opponents again

It is not, and I repeat, NOT a consecutive streak. Louis was the undisputed HW Champion of the world. All the tiles, or "thee" title. Wlad, when he cant beat a challenge, passed them off to his older, more tougher and durable brother.....

Pianetta was a softie. Mormeck was undersized and ballyhooed- someone that Haye destroyed at CW. Destroyed. Wlad beat Haye convincingly... so why move to fight Haye's left overs after the fact?

BS.

[Master]

If Wlad can remain motivated then he can rule the division and make loads of money for many years to come. I thought he wanted to fight in the olympics in Brazil at least. He is a classy guy and I admire him for keeping the titles together other wise it would be mayhem.

BTW watched the povetkin fight again and Wlad is awful and if Tyson came at him he would fall and this is the best Wlad you will get.

[Max Power]

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

An opinion that makes common sense you mean

And those opponents were bad opponents that's true but then there have been good opponents too.

Besides, you cannot refer to them as "bums" exactly. Mormeck was a CW champion and Pianeta was big and undefeated.

What was the records like of Louis' opponents again

It is not, and I repeat, NOT a consecutive streak. Louis was the undisputed HW Champion of the world. All the tiles, or "thee" title. Wlad, when he cant beat a challenge, passed them off to his older, more tougher and durable brother.....

Pianetta was a softie. Mormeck was undersized and ballyhooed- someone that Haye destroyed at CW. Destroyed. Wlad beat Haye convincingly... so why move to fight Haye's left overs after the fact?

BS.

Yeah that's right, Mormeck was a stay busy fight.. A rest from the top contenders he'd been fighting. You can pay him out for it sure, but how many other champs fought such stay busy fights. I'll tell you one.. Joe bloody Louis! Most of his record was "stay busy" stuff.

The fact that a total mismatch like Mormeck for Wlad was such a high quality opponent is testament to the quality of Klitschko. And if Louis fought Mormeck it would have been among the biggest (apart from the known giants), the most athletic and most skilled by far and probably the greatest opponent he ever faced.

Oh, and I noticed you were not even satisfied with cherry picking the consecutive defense stat, you had to go one step further and now try to claim that Wladimir's early defences were not valid either because he did not hold all the belts.

Ha! It is in fact harder to capture and to hold onto all the belts than it is to do so for just one belt.

As far as I am concerned once you win a major version of the HW title (in this case the WBA, WBC, IBF or WBO), you are/were a HW champion!

Would you claim that Larry Holmes defences were not valid then also?

Typical Old Time Nutbaggery, just as I described it!

[Bo-Bo24]

Physically Wlad the only area where Wlad might be declining is that he can't take as many fights in a year as he used to. The long term decline might be with the lose of Stewart as his trainer but otherwise why not rise to the challenge of fighting the new crop of contenders like Wilder and Fury? He's already proved himself to be very focused and motivated throughout his career.

[DavilaJones]

I have to ask, what makes people think if Wlad retires then HW division would be suddenly entertaining? Instead of seeing a boxing clinic all you would see is two grown men fight sloppier than two drunken hobos.

At the very least, his very presence would demand a certain obligation to technique and conditioning from his opponent.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah I don't see that happening. He's 38, he's not going to box until 48. His reflexes are going go within the next few years and so is his speed, legs and athleticism. And when they go and guys are able to get in and touch his chin, it's over Johnny.

[Max Power]

And now we're just having a dig at David Haye.

Well I think it's rubbish and I'd back Haye against most any of your old favourites anyday! That's all I can really say now.

This was about Wlad breaking Louis' record. In my eyes he's already doubled the HW record. And in my eyes he is only a few fights away from topping it in total.

If you guys wanna put more stringent restrictions on him that's your call, everyone knows who worked harder than who. Not many of Louis' defences even really should count as a defence the opponent was so bad!

37-30 Musto... 174lb Conn... and so on! Please!

As for Haye, you know he was green and Thompson was a veteran at the time and both were CW. That was his ONLY pro loss besides Klitschko, the most dominant HW champ of all time who outweighed by 35lbs and outtalled by 3"!

Ali on the other hand lost to cans when he WAS seasoned and was dropped by a 185lb guy when he weighed over 210!

Let's all laugh at Ali for losing/struggling with a midget pudgy handicap with no power or chin!? No no can't do that now! Double standards!

[Tam Seddon]

He plans to but tyson fury will knock him out

[Max Power]

Changing the subject back to something remotely in tune with the thread and avoiding this stalemate we've approached...

Interesting article Freedom included on Heavyweight fight schedule.. "Before you go knocking Klitschko-Leapai" or something or other. Worth a careful read that one!!

[Max Power]

Who the fuck has Arreola lost to?

He lost to Adamek who was the smaller man. The fight was very even up to the last couple rounds and if you look into it you will see that Arreola was badly injured in the hand half way through that fight and could not throw any effective rights anymore, so he finished the fight with one hand.

Stiverne he looked to be WINNING the fight and common sense says he likely would have until he got busted by that big shot to his nose and had to fight an entire battle with that!

And finally Vitali Klitschko, well, no explaination required there.

So no, I don't think Arreola has dropped the ball much at all to be honest and has never properly been stopped. I'd say he is a front runner myself.

If Spinks had beaten several solid HW's I would rate him higher honestly but I'm not prepared to rate Spinks at HW very highly based on close decision wins against a single opponent, even if it is Holmes, especially considering how uncompetitive he was VS Tyson. You know other decent but not great fighters did much better against Tyson don't you?

Arreola has knocked real HW's blocks off for ages and even in his losing fights there have been circumstances and he's done alright. I cannot see Michael Spinks wading his way through all Arreola's opponents at 200lbs unscathed!

[Mr140]

Belts don't really mean much its the man who beat the man that has the Lineal champ titles defenses i think he is talking about really. Wald wbo is just kinda me and sure Louis comp was not greatest but he did beat the champ and defend it 25 times in a row. Wald when he fought the best rated fighter under him then he was champ after that. I think he has like 10 defenses when there was no one that was top dog and his Brother was not fighting pretty much his bro fucked things up for him.