Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[ykdadamaja]

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

An opinion that makes common sense you mean

And those opponents were bad opponents that's true but then there have been good opponents too.

Besides, you cannot refer to them as "bums" exactly. Mormeck was a CW champion and Pianeta was big and undefeated.

What was the records like of Louis' opponents again

It is not, and I repeat, NOT a consecutive streak. Louis was the undisputed HW Champion of the world. All the tiles, or "thee" title. Wlad, when he cant beat a challenge, passed them off to his older, more tougher and durable brother.....

Pianetta was a softie. Mormeck was undersized and ballyhooed- someone that Haye destroyed at CW. Destroyed. Wlad beat Haye convincingly... so why move to fight Haye's left overs after the fact?

BS.

[Master]

If Wlad can remain motivated then he can rule the division and make loads of money for many years to come. I thought he wanted to fight in the olympics in Brazil at least. He is a classy guy and I admire him for keeping the titles together other wise it would be mayhem.

BTW watched the povetkin fight again and Wlad is awful and if Tyson came at him he would fall and this is the best Wlad you will get.

[Max Power]

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

An opinion that makes common sense you mean

And those opponents were bad opponents that's true but then there have been good opponents too.

Besides, you cannot refer to them as "bums" exactly. Mormeck was a CW champion and Pianeta was big and undefeated.

What was the records like of Louis' opponents again

It is not, and I repeat, NOT a consecutive streak. Louis was the undisputed HW Champion of the world. All the tiles, or "thee" title. Wlad, when he cant beat a challenge, passed them off to his older, more tougher and durable brother.....

Pianetta was a softie. Mormeck was undersized and ballyhooed- someone that Haye destroyed at CW. Destroyed. Wlad beat Haye convincingly... so why move to fight Haye's left overs after the fact?

BS.

Yeah that's right, Mormeck was a stay busy fight.. A rest from the top contenders he'd been fighting. You can pay him out for it sure, but how many other champs fought such stay busy fights. I'll tell you one.. Joe bloody Louis! Most of his record was "stay busy" stuff.

The fact that a total mismatch like Mormeck for Wlad was such a high quality opponent is testament to the quality of Klitschko. And if Louis fought Mormeck it would have been among the biggest (apart from the known giants), the most athletic and most skilled by far and probably the greatest opponent he ever faced.

Oh, and I noticed you were not even satisfied with cherry picking the consecutive defense stat, you had to go one step further and now try to claim that Wladimir's early defences were not valid either because he did not hold all the belts.

Ha! It is in fact harder to capture and to hold onto all the belts than it is to do so for just one belt.

As far as I am concerned once you win a major version of the HW title (in this case the WBA, WBC, IBF or WBO), you are/were a HW champion!

Would you claim that Larry Holmes defences were not valid then also?

Typical Old Time Nutbaggery, just as I described it!

[Bo-Bo24]

Physically Wlad the only area where Wlad might be declining is that he can't take as many fights in a year as he used to. The long term decline might be with the lose of Stewart as his trainer but otherwise why not rise to the challenge of fighting the new crop of contenders like Wilder and Fury? He's already proved himself to be very focused and motivated throughout his career.

[DavilaJones]

I have to ask, what makes people think if Wlad retires then HW division would be suddenly entertaining? Instead of seeing a boxing clinic all you would see is two grown men fight sloppier than two drunken hobos.

At the very least, his very presence would demand a certain obligation to technique and conditioning from his opponent.

[Max Power]

I have to ask, what makes people think if Wlad retires then HW division would be suddenly entertaining? Instead of seeing a boxing clinic all you would see is two grown men fight sloppier than two drunken hobos.

At the very least, his very presence would demand a certain obligation to technique and conditioning from his opponent.

What rubbish, Wladimir's opponents have historically been superb boxers on the whole. Without Wlad it would still be a very highly skilled division.

If it's so easy to be a professional HW boxer today and you care to diss them so harshlythen why aren't you one, why don't you compete and start whacking them around??

[DavilaJones]

I'm merely going by the logic that people suggest that the heavyweight division is weakeat in history. By that logic then Wlad doesn't deserve the accolades and everyone is a bum. I disagree with this notion. I'm simply asking why do people think that if Wlad leaves it would be vbetter for the division by following their logic.

Moreover, although I appreciate the fact you respect all boxers coming off hostile towards a fellow poster doesn't so much in way of debate and dialogue. After all we are all fans here.

[Max Power]

Well I will apologise then. Yes that wide spread chant has several origins but at it's core, with only minimal thinking effort, is in fact ridiculous.

There has never been a harder hitting era for one, and this is also the heftiest era on record. Going back more than 30 years, the HW division was a combination of what we today call HW and CW and the average opponent weight was something like 200lbs, smaller than any HW boxer today and smaller even than Chris Byrd. The top end boxers were below the average weight of todays boxers with a few giant exceptions. So there are really only a few eras worth of boxers to even compare with.

Then there's the skills. There is a tendency to greatly blow out of proportion past boxers skills as if they were masters of defence and offense and smooth as whipped cream. In reality many of them were complete punch bags and would probably not be professional boxers today were they to be trained and experienced as they were.

Then there's the athleticism, in the old days training was ridiculous, it had no relevance to the sport quite often. Today the champions are lean and mega fit and only some opponents were fat. In the past, the champs were either weak string beans or chubby! There has never been a more athletic time in HW boxing.

Look at Wladimir's opponents non-Klitschko fights and you can see how much better they are when compared with the opponents of say Mike Tyson or Larry Holmes for instance.

I am actually a proponent of the 90's era and Lennox Lewis myself but I really find the running down of the current era absolutely disgraceful and idiotic.

I think only about 5% of the people who say that actually believe it, and they are all probably a hundred years old and recapping what they thought they saw ringside in 1965 or something lol. The rest are just jealous that it is not a black American holding the titles anymore and instead a pair of white, former commie, Slavic boxers replanted the flag of HW boxing on the other side of the world making them next to irrelevant at HW.

[Max Power]

And in fact that basically explains your original question posed in your original post.

The reason people think the division is going to pick up again once Wladimir goes is that there are now American contenders ready for the titles (Arreola, Wilder, Stiverne, Jennings, others) and I'll bet you that as soon as an American is back on top again, suddenly HW boxing will be good again. These ppl say that because they KNOW that the HW division is good, it's just that Klitschko is so good, so big and so dominant that he outshines all contenders.

That's why there are few opportunities for ATG these days, dominance prevents that. The more "ATG's" an era features REALLY means that none of the boxers in that era were really THAT great, otherwise they wouldn't have let other boxers shine brightly enough to be considered.

[Bo-Bo24]

I'm merely going by the logic that people suggest that the heavyweight division is weakeat in history. By that logic then Wlad doesn't deserve the accolades and everyone is a bum. I disagree with this notion. I'm simply asking why do people think that if Wlad leaves it would be vbetter for the division by following their logic.

Moreover, although I appreciate the fact you respect all boxers coming off hostile towards a fellow poster doesn't so much in way of debate and dialogue. After all we are all fans here.

Part of it comes from the top 10's reluctance to fight each other. Instead they all just bide their time waiting for their shot at Wlad.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah I don't see that happening. He's 38, he's not going to box until 48. His reflexes are going go within the next few years and so is his speed, legs and athleticism. And when they go and guys are able to get in and touch his chin, it's over Johnny.

[ross]

Havent bothered reading much of the replies here becuase for some reason most of you are comparing Wlad defending 1 belt out of 4 for years, to Louis holding THE belt.

Hes only been one of the best, not THE best so its all bullshit.

Since all the other titles were created only Mike Tyson has had the longest unified reign.

[Max Power]

And now we're just having a dig at David Haye.

Well I think it's rubbish and I'd back Haye against most any of your old favourites anyday! That's all I can really say now.

This was about Wlad breaking Louis' record. In my eyes he's already doubled the HW record. And in my eyes he is only a few fights away from topping it in total.

If you guys wanna put more stringent restrictions on him that's your call, everyone knows who worked harder than who. Not many of Louis' defences even really should count as a defence the opponent was so bad!

37-30 Musto... 174lb Conn... and so on! Please!

As for Haye, you know he was green and Thompson was a veteran at the time and both were CW. That was his ONLY pro loss besides Klitschko, the most dominant HW champ of all time who outweighed by 35lbs and outtalled by 3"!

Ali on the other hand lost to cans when he WAS seasoned and was dropped by a 185lb guy when he weighed over 210!

Let's all laugh at Ali for losing/struggling with a midget pudgy handicap with no power or chin!? No no can't do that now! Double standards!

[ross]

And now we're just having a dig at David Haye.

Well I think it's rubbish and I'd back Haye against most any of your old favourites anyday! That's all I can really say now.

This was about Wlad breaking Louis' record. In my eyes he's already doubled the HW record. And in my eyes he is only a few fights away from topping it in total.

If you guys wanna put more stringent restrictions on him that's your call, everyone knows who worked harder than who. Not many of Louis' defences even really should count as a defence the opponent was so bad!

37-30 Musto... 174lb Conn... and so on! Please!

As for Haye, you know he was green and Thompson was a veteran at the time and both were CW. That was his ONLY pro loss besides Klitschko, the most dominant HW champ of all time who outweighed by 35lbs and outtalled by 3"!

Ali on the other hand lost to cans when he WAS seasoned and was dropped by a 185lb guy when he weighed over 210!

Let's all laugh at Ali for losing/struggling with a midget pudgy handicap with no power or chin!? No no can't do that now! Double standards!

Apart from Carl Thompson?

[Max Power]

I would back Haye against Thompson in any rematch of course!

Is Buster better than Mike? No.

Is Rahman better than Lewis? No.

Is Sanders better than Wladimir? No.

Is Byrd better than Vitali? No.

Is Ruiz better than Holyfield? No.

And similarly Thompson is not better than Haye.. He just beat him once!