Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[erics44]

@erics44 Yeah his holding has been on the excessive in some fights but really only completely over the top in just one fight, Povetkin. But in between all the holding I think I seen a one sided beating the rest of the time as well. It was still dominanting. I think Wlad could have beat him without it. It's just the easiest way for him to do it.

It's not officially cheating anyway. It just sucked.

@Max Power this isnt really true, his holding is completely and hurrendously over the top in the vast majority of his fights

i gave lyle (el kabong, as big a wlad fan as you can get) the oppotunity to pick any fight in wlads second reign as champ to show me that this isnt the case

he suggested i rewatch the second sam peter fight, he said it was a master class of boxing

i watched the first 2 rounds, in the first he held over 20 times and punched with any kind of meaning considerably less

the second was only slightly better

and it is cheating, it is against the rules, the refs and officials clearly let him get away with it, any other fighter in the provetkin fight would have been dq'd

unless obviously that fighter made as many people rich each time he fights as wlad does

Well I don't know why El Kabong chose that one because before Povetkin, Peter was Klitschko's most clinchiest fight!

I've said it before, Wlad clinches the short asses because they try to rush him all the time, it's their only tool cause they can't box him otherwise so he eliminates that game. It's quite smart really.

When Wlad meets a tall guy like Thompson or Wach for example, suddenly, we don't see the hugging do we!! Punch speed and punch power wins him the fight!

Well we'll see if it's cheating wont we. My bet is, if he gets a ref who chooses to pull them apart and tell Wlad off, we will instead see Wlad pulverise his opponent all the same. Wlad even might use an uppercut!! haha

ill give you the same question as i gave lyle, if you want to try and show me that he doesnt clinch that often, give me one of his fights and ill take a look

if you want me to watch thompson or wach let me know

and yes, his clinching is extremely smart, wins him the fight everytime and makes a lot of people very rich, which means he can get away with it a lot more, winning more fights getting richer, everyone is getting richer, and happier, so let him clinch and theyll get even richer

by the way, just to confirm one (or two) of the few facts in our opinionated debate, holding is against the rules as is pushing down on your opponent

by the way money doesnt always bring happiness