Is Mayweather a all time great?

[Mr140]

Hearns would be a terrible match up for Mayweather his reach and power would be all she wrote. Hearns has a 80 inch reach dude Mayweather has always had the reach over his opponents. So if he can not outbox Hearns which no one ever did he would have to go for the kill and unlike Leonard his offense was not as good and i really do not think his chin would hold up if he went for the kill. As for Leonard i just think he would outwork Mayweather at ww not sure how Bentiez fight would go very boring. Duran Mayweather best beat but Jlc did give him a lot of problems. I think pac gets smashed by all the guys from the 80's because they were to big and were to fast and to well trained. Also when were talking about atg Mayweather is in the top 15 and pac i would say is in top 25 in my rankings anyhow.

[Vendettos]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali <~~~~I rate Floyd higher
4. Joe Louis <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
5. Roberto Duran <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
8. Benny Leonard <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Manny Pacquiao <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
11. Carlos Monzon <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
12. Rocky Marciano <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher - HAHAHA Marciano 12th of all time? Lmao.
13. Ezzard Charles <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
14. Archie Moore <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
15. Sandy Saddler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
20. Alexis Arguello <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
21. Barney Ross <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
22. Evander Holyfield <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
23. Ike Williams <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
24. Salvador Sanchez <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
25. George Foreman <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
26. Kid Gavilian <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
27. Larry Holmes <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher


Just my opinion, and I don't even like Floyd.

But Marciano ? That's not right.

[powerpuncher]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali <~~~~I rate Floyd higher
4. Joe Louis <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
5. Roberto Duran <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
8. Benny Leonard <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Manny Pacquiao <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
11. Carlos Monzon <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
12. Rocky Marciano <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher - HAHAHA Marciano 12th of all time? Lmao.
13. Ezzard Charles <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
14. Archie Moore <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
15. Sandy Saddler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
20. Alexis Arguello <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
21. Barney Ross <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
22. Evander Holyfield <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
23. Ike Williams <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
24. Salvador Sanchez <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
25. George Foreman <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
26. Kid Gavilian <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
27. Larry Holmes <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher


Just my opinion, and I don't even like Floyd.

But Marciano ? That's not right.

You rate Floyd higher than Ali and Louis but not Dempsey?

[powerpuncher]

i dont understand how anybody thinks that floyd beats hearns. hearns is too long and has too good of a jab. he is also very fast. hearns completely outboxed leonard for their fight and the only reason that leonard won was because he came right at him. leonard had amazing speed and great power. floyd wouldnt have the power to keep hearns off of him.

[Mr140]

Demsey didn't even fight the best people because good amount of them were black so he not on any of my lists he even admits to the shit. The only fighters i would rate over Mayweather in the past 25 years of fighting are the Following Holyfeild and Lewis. Reason for Lewis is because he was one of the best Heavyweights to ever walk the planet and avenged his losses and beat the shit out the next generation Champ making his a face a fucking Vag. As for Holyfeild most talk about pound for pound a lot around here but Holyfeild despite starting at 175 went on to beat hof in his 12th fight and become invincible at cw then went up to heavyweight in its deepest era and beat damn near everyone while being out weight 20 to 40 pounds. You can point at his lose but most of them were after he was 40 if Mayweather stays in the game till he is 48 years old he gonna have that 0 erased. Let me say i hold hw division in high regard and that fact that Holyfeild Moved up and is consider by most to be a top 10 atg hw says alot to me. but thats just how i feel i am open to debate as long as we don't bash the greats now and of yesteryear please.

[Max Power]

Hearns would be a terrible match up for Mayweather his reach and power would be all she wrote. Hearns has a 80 inch reach dude Mayweather has always had the reach over his opponents. So if he can not outbox Hearns which no one ever did he would have to go for the kill and unlike Leonard his offense was not as good and i really do not think his chin would hold up if he went for the kill. As for Leonard i just think he would outwork Mayweather at ww not sure how Bentiez fight would go very boring. Duran Mayweather best beat but Jlc did give him a lot of problems. I think pac gets smashed by all the guys from the 80's because they were to big and were to fast and to well trained. Also when were talking about atg Mayweather is in the top 15 and pac i would say is in top 25 in my rankings anyhow.

You must be on drugs with that post. Top 15 and 25... Really?

They are both top 10, along with Leonard. Whether the other guys make it from the 80's idk because there have been and are so many good fighters lb for lb since as well.

The Pac comment might have some merit because of Pac's natural size, I am unsure how big those 80's guys were now, Hagler sure he was pretty tank so that is a respectable opinion but to think that Hearns would be a favourite over Mayweather falls into a lighter category than your usual OTNB antics!

I don't think Mayweather would really sweat the reach of Hearns all that much. As if Floyd could not outbox Hearns my god!

Alvarez would have smashed Hagler. And look what Floyd did to him!

The only guy I am certain would pose a real big threat to Floyd would be Leonard because of the all round talent and the athleticism. Floyd would still be the favourite though you gotta give him that.

As for Pac. The prime+roided version. There is no telling how he could have performed against those bigger guys because they did not have the same speed or athleticism as Pac and definitely not the strength, synthetic as it was. Hagler and Leonard might have been too much for him to handle, much as I believe Canelo might be the same for Pac today.

But Pac would smash the shit out of Hearns, I'd lay a sum on that!

I really rate the 80's limit weight fighters highly, all of them are atleast top 20 and atleast Leonard close to the top. But this aura of invincibility your ascribing them is a bit over the top, they were the best there ever was THEN, MAYBE not now!

And the degrading way you try to belittle both Pac and Floyd by ranking them out of the top 10 and even top 20 exposes you as a troll! lol

No sober analyst could really swallow that garbage!

[Mr140]

Lol dude Mayweather would lose to Leonard most just on out put Leonard had way better offense. He dealt with master in defense in Bentiez and tore him apart when he was not even prime yet. Hearns was a beast who carried his power up to fucking cw and was never out boxed in his prime. You think Oscar gave Mayweather problems please Hearns beats Mawyeather based on reach and size not mention be able to box near the same level. Hearns is the worst fucking match up for Mayweather besides Leonard that i can think of and if you don't think so all i can say is you overrate this era more then old timers do theres all i have to say. You make some ok points but on this one i think full of shit really anyhow oh well. I mean if a 34 year Old Oscar fighting part time could give Mayweather a go and think Hearns can't i really don't know dude.

[Max Power]

Demsey didn't even fight the best people because good amount of them were black so he not on any of my lists he even admits to the shit. The only fighters i would rate over Mayweather in the past 25 years of fighting are the Following Holyfeild and Lewis. Reason for Lewis is because he was one of the best Heavyweights to ever walk the planet and avenged his losses and beat the shit out the next generation Champ making his a face a fucking Vag. As for Holyfeild most talk about pound for pound a lot around here but Holyfeild despite starting at 175 went on to beat hof in his 12th fight and become invincible at cw then went up to heavyweight in its deepest era and beat damn near everyone while being out weight 20 to 40 pounds. You can point at his lose but most of them were after he was 40 if Mayweather stays in the game till he is 48 years old he gonna have that 0 erased. Let me say i hold hw division in high regard and that fact that Holyfeild Moved up and is consider by most to be a top 10 atg hw says alot to me. but thats just how i feel i am open to debate as long as we don't bash the greats now and of yesteryear please.

Right, here I agree with you completely about Dempsey. in fact I would go so far as to say he was a bum champion. That's right a bum! His career has been described as all "smoke and mirrors" by some very knowlegable people (mates of mine lol).

And sure Holyfield is understandable, his performance at CW has been unparalleled and subsequently winning the HW title 4 times in that era qualifies him. But Lewis, although my favourite HW and possibly the best one there ever has been, does not qualify for a lb for lb greatness.

HW boxing and limited weight division boxing are kind of like different sports, the game is the same but the nature of being able to come in all shapes and sizes makes the playing field necessarily complicated and sometimes unfair!

Holyfield yes, Lennox no, Dempsey HELL no, Mayweather probably number 1 (that is if the gimp can prove he can beat Pac!)

[Mr140]

Pac got fucking flattened by fucking Jmm he not lasting a second with Hearns. The second he goes in and is of blanced and countered he is going to sleep Duran style my friend. Hearns fucking lost one time to Leonard at ww and he had to go through Hell to get to Hearns you underrate them very badly.

[Max Power]

Oscar De La Hoya is also one of the toppest boxers.

34 is not old for a boxer these days, hasn't been for a long time.

mid 30's is the NATURAL PRIME of a boxer! Now they are allowed to reach it!

As for Hearns power, do you really think that he could hit harder than some of the opponents of Mayweather? Seriously, take a look at them.

Take a REAL good look at Hearns and then guys like Alvarez. You bring those guys in to fight Floyd at a catch weight (lb for lb) and you will see what I mean.

Also let's not forget a very important issue for this topic. What was THEN considered a certain weight range, TODAY is in actual fact about 2 weight ranges below, Why? Because of the weigh in process and the dehydration they now undertake.

I think you overrate the admittedly great talents of Hearns (I in fact declared that remember) but most strikingly you have devastatingly underrated the abilities of Mayweather!

The guys a dick but please I have never seen such incredible skills.

And Benitez please, PLEASE! How can you compare the levels there!

[Mr140]

Hearns carried his power all the way through to cw the man was a legit champ at Lhw. Jmm is a 40 year old man who weighed less then Hearns had less reach and power and laid out fucking Pac like he killed him i thought he was dead. Who has Pac koed besides Cotto who was a prime contender at 147 i mean he really has not am i wrong. As for the Ginger Kid he his best win is Trout close fight and then lost every fucking round to Mayweather so how good he is i do not know. Bentiez is closer to Mayweathers skill then you think and Leonard destroyed him who is close to Leonard that Mayweather has beat. Oscar was a part time fighter at the time look what he went on to do after words not mention he lost a lot of his big fights yet he gave Mayweather hell with his reach and jab something Leonard and Hearns were better at.

[Max Power]

Pac got fucking flattened by fucking Jmm he not lasting a second with Hearns. The second he goes in and is of blanced and countered he is going to sleep Duran style my friend. Hearns fucking lost one time to Leonard at ww and he had to go through Hell to get to Hearns you underrate them very badly.

I am sorry but I think rating Thomas Hearns in the top 20, possibly the edge of the top 10 as the greatest boxers of all time including current and all boxers since him as a pretty fucking FLATTERING rating mate!!

You always have to clump the top fighters of an era together and assess how they performed against each other as a proof of how they'd be unbeatable for those of the current era. Maybe they were challenged by each other simply because that's what they were purely up against.

How do you know Leonard could have beaten a prime Pac at a comparable weight? What visual evidence can you produce of their fights to prove that point?

He definitely could have, that's not my point here, the point is that you make a lot of assumptions without actually pointing to some performances in which it could be noted that Pac (or Floyd) would not handle that.

Pac's beaten bigger fighters. Floyd has too. JMM is a very good bloody fighter too!

[Mr140]

I am saying at 147 i would give the edge to Leonard over all of them if they fought at the weight class. Not doing pound for pound hear i am saying at 147 I fell Hearns and Leonard beat Mayweather and Pac and if they fight at 154 i fell there chances are even because Hearns was even better there and Leonard i wont go with Hagler because he was a mw champ i see no chance for them there. As for Benitez have you Followed his Career when he was youngest champ 40-0 was 140 and 147 champ and Leonard fucking beat the shit out of him he was a great fighter.

[Vendettos]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali <~~~~I rate Floyd higher
4. Joe Louis <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
5. Roberto Duran <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
8. Benny Leonard <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Manny Pacquiao <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
11. Carlos Monzon <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
12. Rocky Marciano <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher - HAHAHA Marciano 12th of all time? Lmao.
13. Ezzard Charles <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
14. Archie Moore <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
15. Sandy Saddler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
20. Alexis Arguello <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
21. Barney Ross <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
22. Evander Holyfield <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
23. Ike Williams <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
24. Salvador Sanchez <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
25. George Foreman <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
26. Kid Gavilian <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
27. Larry Holmes <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher


Just my opinion, and I don't even like Floyd.

But Marciano ? That's not right.

You rate Floyd higher than Ali and Louis but not Dempsey?

I most certainly do rate him higher than Dempsey, I musta missed him, you'd be surprised the amount of copy n paste I had to do in that post lol.

[Mr140]

As for Mayweather and Pacs rating for atg i think top 15 is good for Mayweather, i rate pac lower because he could never beat Jmm and Morales was done at top level i fell when he beat him not to mention him being knocked the fuck out when he was champ at the lower weights. Mayweather resume is great one but it lost some luster because time of the fights not that i blame Mayweather for it. As for Pac he has great wins but also has some bad ko loses and never really manged to conving beat Jmm then got vicious ko by the man when he was 40 years of age. 147 run was good but Oscar was done did you see him fight night, Mosley had not won a fight in 2 years, Clotty is a gatekeeper, Got a huge gift against Jmm then got Koed and then there is Cotto his best win but was also Clobbered by Margarito not long before its a good run but top 10 run no. Margarito at 154 for a title was a joke because he had not won in over 2 years as well i mean it kinda shit i might bump him in top 20 for lower weights. I can not exclude the older guys either because if they were beast in there era they most also get there dues boxing has alot good fucking fighters in it hard to rank dude.