Prime Holyfield vs prime Joe Frazier

[Max Power]

Joe was Olympic gold medalist that beat all that he could in the division in the late 60's and early 70's. His peak was 1971. Holyfield was inconsistent champion but at his best he could try and outbox Joe. Bert Copper wobbled and hurt Evander and that could happen. It would be a great war.

Yes, Bert Cooper dropped the pre-roid Holyfield but lost by KO anyway.

Cooper, basically a Frazier after many years of roids himself. Nice try!

[Master]

Joe was Olympic gold medalist that beat all that he could in the division in the late 60's and early 70's. His peak was 1971. Holyfield was inconsistent champion but at his best he could try and outbox Joe. Bert Copper wobbled and hurt Evander and that could happen. It would be a great war.

Yes, Bert Cooper dropped the pre-roid Holyfield but lost by KO anyway.

Cooper, basically a Frazier after many years of roids himself. Nice try!

I was not trying anything just making a comment

[Max Power]

Joe Frazier would be wasted, most of the time in the first round, by virtually any fighter from the 90's onwards. He could not handle a hard punch.

Joe Frazier was about as glassed jawed as they come. The reason Foreman took 6 times to finish him was because Foreman was a push puncher and an arm puncher, not a concussive hitter. He never really clocked a decent opponent cold with 1 punch.

Frazier ducked all hard punchers of his era. He had to fight Foreman because it was his mandatory.

Holyfield beat fucking Mike Tyson and even knocked him out!

The fact that a chinny, featherfisted, punch bag half blind dwarf like Frazier could ever become a HW champion is testament to how weak the era was.

[Master]

Who did Joe Frazier avoid? What big punchers?

You are really talking rubbish.

The ma was undisputed champion and had one of the longest reigns. Do not disrespect the great heavyweight champion and then praise bums of this year.

Otherwise I will get angry.

[Max Power]

Who did Joe Frazier avoid? What big punchers?

You are really talking rubbish.

The ma was undisputed champion and had one of the longest reigns. Do not disrespect the great heavyweight champion and then praise bums of this year.

Otherwise I will get angry.

I respect Joe Frazier, the BOXER.

I do not respect Joe Frazier, the mythology!

In terms of ATGness, Frazier > Leapai (obviously)

In terms of H2H Leapai > Frazier (also obviously)

[brocktonblockbust]

what?

[Master]

Who did Joe Frazier avoid? What big punchers?

You are really talking rubbish.

The ma was undisputed champion and had one of the longest reigns. Do not disrespect the great heavyweight champion and then praise bums of this year.

Otherwise I will get angry.

I respect Joe Frazier, the BOXER.

I do not respect Joe Frazier, the mythology!

In terms of ATGness, Frazier > Leapai (obviously)

In terms of H2H Leapai > Frazier (also obviously)

Joe Frazier was champion and olympic gold medalist and Leapai is not. How dare you equate the 2 together.

[Max Power]

Who did Joe Frazier avoid? What big punchers?

You are really talking rubbish.

The ma was undisputed champion and had one of the longest reigns. Do not disrespect the great heavyweight champion and then praise bums of this year.

Otherwise I will get angry.

I respect Joe Frazier, the BOXER.

I do not respect Joe Frazier, the mythology!

In terms of ATGness, Frazier > Leapai (obviously)

In terms of H2H Leapai > Frazier (also obviously)

Joe Frazier was champion and olympic gold medalist and Leapai is not. How dare you equate the 2 together.

I didn't equate the 2 together at all, I clearly separated them totally.

In Frazier's era, he won a gold medal and the HW championship. Against the criteria of his day, he achieved greatness that Alex Leapai does not even deserve a sniff at by the criteria of HIS era.

Agaisnt the criteria of Leapai's era though, Joe Frazier would never make it to the national or maybe even state side at Amateurm let alone the Olympics. He would never develop any aspirations to become a pro boxer at all because he wouldn't be good enough and were he to try he would never pass the medical test to be registered because he was half-blind (assuming that incident still occurred).

And were the Joe Frazier that WAS ever to have met the Leapai that IS in the same ring under some circumstance, Leapai would knock Frazier out in the first round under pretty much ANY circumstances! That is a fact!

And it takes nothing away from Frazier's greatness to say that! Frazier is STILL great! What he did in 1971 is still there. It will ALWAYS be there. It cannot NOT be there.

But that WAS 1971. And it is now nearly 2015!

[brocktonblockbust]

Joe Frazier would be wasted, most of the time in the first round, by virtually any fighter from the 90's onwards. He could not handle a hard punch.

Joe Frazier was about as glassed jawed as they come. The reason Foreman took 6 times to finish him was because Foreman was a push puncher and an arm puncher, not a concussive hitter. He never really clocked a decent opponent cold with 1 punch.

Frazier ducked all hard punchers of his era. He had to fight Foreman because it was his mandatory.

Holyfield beat fucking Mike Tyson and even knocked him out!

The fact that a chinny, featherfisted, punch bag half blind dwarf like Frazier could ever become a HW champion is testament to how weak the era was.

with all due consideration, this is about as bad as Paxtom's constant Ali-bashing.

[Arvid_85]

At first glance this fight seems like a FOTY. In reality it would have been a shutout, with The Holy Man punishing Joe with gruesome combinations. Like the Tyson fight, but without the adversity that Tyson gave Evander.