Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
Do not call Joe blind, bum or avoiding punchers then.
I HAVE called Joe a bum previously so you have got me there, but I refrained myself this time by omitting that single derogatory comment out.

By my OWN little rating system, Frazier only lost 4 fights, hence, is not a bum.

But whether he ducked them or happenstance was the case, he did not fight the bigger punchers of his era like Mac Foster, Earnie Shavers, Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Cleveland Williams, Ron Lyle etc.

And that Frazier was blind on 1 eye is simply a fact. It is what it is.

You can pump up Frazier's heart and talent for achieving what he did DESPITE being blind on 1 eye.

But you can also look at it that to be able to become HW champ seeing with only 1 eye as some kind of evidence of a weak era.
Joe was already shot--I say Joe was shot about 60% after the brutal beating Ali laid on him on March 8, 1971, and Big George Foreaman took the other 40% out of him in January 1973 in Kingston, Jamaica. Frazier had nothign left after that. Cleveland wms? He was done by the time Joe won the Gold and was any kind of contender. Why would Joe fight HIM? Liston was already done in '65. Why woud Joe fight HIM? Lyle and Shavers peaked way after Joe was already shot. And Norton wasnt a big puncher AT ALL>

Give Joe some credit for taking a 2nd fight with Goerge Foreman in 1975. How's that 2nd fight "avoiding the big punchers"?