Looking for the roots of terrorism

[ryanman]

If you want to know what they're angry about you could try asking the fucking terrorists, or even just listen to what they say. Other than the gys upset about cartoons in every single case it's because of us interfering in their countries (9/11 guys) Israel killing people in neighbouring countries/Palestinians (9/11 and most terrorist attacks previous to that), us invading Afghanistan/Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands ( 99.something percent of attacks since 2001.) Case in point. The people giving interviews to bystanders after they knifed that British soldier. And so on.

@Kirkland Laing that may well be true for the genesis of many of the groups and the attacks they carry out however for me it can't be the definitive reason to explain Islamic extremism as there are things that don't fit.
Boko Haram for instance are not engaging in Anti-Western activities.
ISIS were happy to have no involvement and conflict with the US.

There is more to terrorism than just blow back against countries that have interfered.
If it were simply that then as I said before we would also be having a spate of international terrorist groups emanating from South and Central America.

There are a multitude of reasons for the spate of Islamic extremist groups and I think that an anti-west agenda is just one of those reasons. For some groups it is the primary reason, yet for others it doesn't really feature at all. So for me it isn't a satisfactory (complete) explanation.

[El Kabong]

There is more to terrorism than just blow back against countries that have interfered.

"Awww but that doesn't fit my agenda" - KirklandLaing

[Kirkland Laing]

If you want to know what they're angry about you could try asking the fucking terrorists, or even just listen to what they say. Other than the gys upset about cartoons in every single case it's because of us interfering in their countries (9/11 guys) Israel killing people in neighbouring countries/Palestinians (9/11 and most terrorist attacks previous to that), us invading Afghanistan/Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands ( 99.something percent of attacks since 2001.) Case in point. The people giving interviews to bystanders after they knifed that British soldier. And so on.

@Kirkland Laing that may well be true for the genesis of many of the groups and the attacks they carry out however for me it can't be the definitive reason to explain Islamic extremism as there are things that don't fit.
Boko Haram for instance are not engaging in Anti-Western activities.
ISIS were happy to have no involvement and conflict with the US.

There is more to terrorism than just blow back against countries that have interfered.
If it were simply that then as I said before we would also be having a spate of international terrorist groups emanating from South and Central America.

There are a multitude of reasons for the spate of Islamic extremist groups and I think that an anti-west agenda is just one of those reasons. For some groups it is the primary reason, yet for others it doesn't really feature at all. So for me it isn't a satisfactory (complete) explanation.

For over half a century now Saudi Arabia has been funding radical Islam all over the world. The Saudi brand of Islam, Wahaabism, is pretty indistinguishable from the brand practiced under ISIS. Saudi have funded the building of mosques all over the Muslim world including Nigeria, Pakistan, Britain and so on and they in most cases get radical Waahabi imans preaching in them as part of the deal.

Fundamentalist Islam used to be a minority thing but due to Saudi money it's becoming the dominant strain of religion. Preachers funded by Saudi and Gulf state money are all over the world and the internet preaching hate. This is the ideological foundation of groups like Al Quaeda and ISIS.

If we didn't involve ourselves in their part of the world they'd be far too busy fighting amongst themselves to bother about us (see Syria pre our involvement) but once we get involved then some of them are going to respond violently.

[Kirkland Laing]

Also, too. South American or Vietnamese or whoever groups who would like to fight back against America need money and organisation. The Saudis/Gulf states provide the money for all these Islamic groups and initially the Americans provided the organisation ( Saudi/Arab fighters going to fight in Afghanistan against the Soviets and being trained by the US).

Now they have military know-how and basically unlimited military funding from Saudi and the Gulf states.

[brocktonblockbust]

Nice.

[Andre]

If you want to know what they're angry about you could try asking the fucking terrorists, or even just listen to what they say. Other than the gys upset about cartoons in every single case it's because of us interfering in their countries (9/11 guys) Israel killing people in neighbouring countries/Palestinians (9/11 and most terrorist attacks previous to that), us invading Afghanistan/Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands ( 99.something percent of attacks since 2001.) Case in point. The people giving interviews to bystanders after they knifed that British soldier. And so on.

@Kirkland Laing that may well be true for the genesis of many of the groups and the attacks they carry out however for me it can't be the definitive reason to explain Islamic extremism as there are things that don't fit.
Boko Haram for instance are not engaging in Anti-Western activities.
ISIS were happy to have no involvement and conflict with the US.

There is more to terrorism than just blow back against countries that have interfered.
If it were simply that then as I said before we would also be having a spate of international terrorist groups emanating from South and Central America.

There are a multitude of reasons for the spate of Islamic extremist groups and I think that an anti-west agenda is just one of those reasons. For some groups it is the primary reason, yet for others it doesn't really feature at all. So for me it isn't a satisfactory (complete) explanation.

For over half a century now Saudi Arabia has been funding radical Islam all over the world. The Saudi brand of Islam, Wahaabism, is pretty indistinguishable from the brand practiced under ISIS. Saudi have funded the building of mosques all over the Muslim world including Nigeria, Pakistan, Britain and so on and they in most cases get radical Waahabi imans preaching in them as part of the deal.

Fundamentalist Islam used to be a minority thing but due to Saudi money it's becoming the dominant strain of religion. Preachers funded by Saudi and Gulf state money are all over the world and the internet preaching hate. This is the ideological foundation of groups like Al Quaeda and ISIS.

If we didn't involve ourselves in their part of the world they'd be far too busy fighting amongst themselves to bother about us (see Syria pre our involvement) but once we get involved then some of them are going to respond violently.

For real, bang on the money.

[brocktonblockbust]

there is a real threat, and there are those who will not offer solutions. To them the obsession is to at all costs remain altruistic and humane which I too am all for, but solutions are being avoided at the real expense of foregone time, losing the jump on it day by day as it builds globally. I have advocated seriously coming up with strategies similar to what @Andre has suggested as well, to rout out the maybe 1% of extremist cells/groups among them as well. I have suggested (and even taken a small bit of action here in Turkey with) fantastic strategies of community outreach, relationship building, working together with imams to identify individuals who may be overheard or observed speaking about planning violent acts, etc. or exhibiting in the opinion of an imam a dangerous extremist behavior, calls for violent jihad against innocent people, etc. But there are those who will say there is some problem or other with this, and yet will offer no solution of their own. Its easy to sit back singing Kum-Ba-Ya and say what the solution is NOT, that is the contrarian's way of not sticking one's neck out and offering a solution.

[Beanz]

there is a real threat, and there are those who will not offer solutions. To them the obsession is to at all costs remain altruistic and humane which I too am all for, but solutions are being avoided at the real expense of foregone time, losing the jump on it day by day as it builds globally. I have advocated seriously coming up with strategies similar to what @Andre has suggested as well, to rout out the maybe 1% of extremist cells/groups among them as well. I have suggested (and even taken a small bit of action here in Turkey with) fantastic strategies of community outreach, relationship building, working together with imams to identify individuals who may be overheard or observed speaking about planning violent acts, etc. or exhibiting in the opinion of an imam a dangerous extremist behavior, calls for violent jihad against innocent people, etc. But there are those who will say there is some problem or other with this, and yet will offer no solution of their own. Its easy to sit back singing Kum-Ba-Ya and say what the solution is NOT, that is the contrarian's way of not sticking one's neck out and offering a solution.

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[Beanz]

there is a real threat, and there are those who will not offer solutions. To them the obsession is to at all costs remain altruistic and humane which I too am all for, but solutions are being avoided at the real expense of foregone time, losing the jump on it day by day as it builds globally. I have advocated seriously coming up with strategies similar to what @Andre has suggested as well, to rout out the maybe 1% of extremist cells/groups among them as well. I have suggested (and even taken a small bit of action here in Turkey with) fantastic strategies of community outreach, relationship building, working together with imams to identify individuals who may be overheard or observed speaking about planning violent acts, etc. or exhibiting in the opinion of an imam a dangerous extremist behavior, calls for violent jihad against innocent people, etc. But there are those who will say there is some problem or other with this, and yet will offer no solution of their own. Its easy to sit back singing Kum-Ba-Ya and say what the solution is NOT, that is the contrarian's way of not sticking one's neck out and offering a solution.

It is merely your assertion that is my obsession. It is quite obvious that in reality the one thing I could not be so easily labelled as, is a pussy footer. While it is lovely to hear you boasting about your "fantastic strategies" in a country and religion that apparently is not your own, It's quite difficult to believe much that you say. When you can bring yourself to address me in person then maybe others will start to see promise in your new found ambassadorial role. I offer no easy solutions because I am not so arrogant or naive to think that is within my ability. Did you mention to your Muslim friends your desire to shut all the Mosques in Europe or your desire to personally vet the English speaking ability of all Immigrants to the UK and USA or your desire to do unspeakable things and rub pork fat into the mouths of Terrorists or your Bwaaahhhaaahaaing every faith and religion and their gullible followers?

You can call me a bleeding heart liberal until you are blue in the face and dismiss me as a do gooder or some other nefarious bullshit reduction, but it won't make your own argument any stronger and it certainly will do nothing to let things move forward.

[Andre]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

[brocktonblockbust]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.