What can GGG's next opponent learn from Martin Murray?

[Master]

Lemieux would get smashed into mash.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I agree with Brockton. It's exactly the same thing with Abraham. Either attack or defend. It amazed me how much Murray and Smith allowed them self's to be trapped in the ropes. For all the other decent things they were doing, to literally throw it all way by like that, is just absurd.

Yes both were incredibly brave but bloody foolish.

And for the record, I still think AA gives GGG his toughest nights work if not beats him. He has better defence, faster hands and a commanding jab.

[Rantcatrat]

I also thought that he didn't show that he knows how to fight in clinches. Someone like Ward, who uses the clinch to his advantage frequently, would give him problems.

Another thing is that his defense is underrated. He doesn't get hit cleanly often. His use of range is very good too.

He also makes adjustments during the course of the fight well. Some of the things that Murray did well in the beginning of the fight, GGG took away from him later in the fight.

[Fenster]

Don't sign the contract.

[mikeeod]

Only a complete fighter who is elite will beat GGG. Think a prime Hop or Ward type of fighter. Maybe a really fast, slick fighter will get the decision. Maybe. GGG is phenomenal at cutting the ring off and very good defensively for such an aggressive fighter.

The tactics that Hop used vs. Tito, where he moved laterally and constantly made Tito reset his feet while boxing behind the jab, are best suited for GGG. Even then, the opponent will need to be durable and have a GREAT chin and GREAT stamina to pull it off. It's like saying that all someone has to do to beat Floyd (after Castillo and Maidana fights) is to be physical with him and maul him for 12 rounds. Easier said than done because GGG and Floyd also have votes in those scenarios/fights.

GGG isn't an unskilled, plodding fighter who swings for the fences constantly. He is a highly skilled, VERY strong, aggressive fighter who puts on stifling/exhausting pressure when he fights. He will be very tough to beat and it will take a great fighter, fighting the perfect fight, to do it.

[p4pking]

Only a complete fighter who is elite will beat GGG. Think a prime Hop or Ward type of fighter. Maybe a really fast, slick fighter will get the decision. Maybe. GGG is phenomenal at cutting the ring off and very good defensively for such an aggressive fighter.

The tactics that Hop used vs. Tito, where he moved laterally and constantly made Tito reset his feet while boxing behind the jab, are best suited for GGG. Even then, the opponent will need to be durable and have a GREAT chin and GREAT stamina to pull it off. It's like saying that all someone has to do to beat Floyd (after Castillo and Maidana fights) is to be physical with him and maul him for 12 rounds. Easier said than done because GGG and Floyd also have votes in those scenarios/fights.

GGG isn't an unskilled, plodding fighter who swings for the fences constantly. He is a highly skilled, VERY strong, aggressive fighter who puts on stifling/exhausting pressure when he fights. He will be very tough to beat and it will take a great fighter, fighting the perfect fight, to do it.

Agreed. Obviously he's not a slick guy and can be hit, but it's tough to know how much that will work against him until he's actually been given a run. It's not as though Murray was taking rounds or looking like he could win, and he's a fine boxer as well lets not forget. All of his best work in the fight basically just seemed to allow him some breathing room, for all we know Golovkin has another couple of gears if he's actually in deep.

[Hulk]

Stay down.

[X]

I was really impressed with Golovkin yet again. Murray fought a brave and tactically good fight, but he had the shit beaten out if him.

- GGG has no stamina problems whatsoever.
- he retains his knockout ability throughout a long fight
- good, solid chin
- technically very accomplished, but also fires off seriously unorthodox big shots. Arthur Abrahams shell like guard that nobody can penetrate IS open at the top, and those slightly illegal downward chops GGG uses would be interesting for Arthur. Having said that, Abraham is strong as a bull and GGG may not be able to bully him
- great great footwork and an amazing fighter at cutting off the ring and keeping his opponents under constant, heavy pressure. He was trotting after Murray time and time again in this fight.

Some hope for future opponents, though

- didn't fight at all on the inside really, and wated a lot of energy trying to get out of clinches
- did get caught with a few punches, so not defensively particularly tight
- definitely vulnerable to a quick counterpuncher who can stand in the pocket and not get bullied back onto the ropes

It would take some fighter to take advantage of those points ..... But that style of guy sounds like Andre Ward to me. Is strong and dirty on the inside, quick and a beautiful counterpuncher, and who is a naturally bigger guy that Golovkin.

I can't see a middleweight around who would make much of a dent in Golovkin, and I'm already thinking about only the truly elite fighters in the division above him. That's a hell of a compliment.

[walrus]

I think a lot of us have screwed around I the ring but only a handful have had a modicum of success. I would be interested to see what people like Tam and a few others have to say. Just the fact we are implying Murray had somewhat of a good showing just buy being able to almost go the distance with Ggg says a lot. Perhaps I don't know Shit about boxing but I think part of their reason, and I say this with no disrespect to Murray of whom I am a fan, but I think ggg wanted rounds.

Someone in another thread said Murray showed ggg was human, obviously in jest but that statement says a lot. I'm not saying ggg could have taken Murray out at anytime he wanted but Golovkin wanted rounds. I was surprised a few times when Murray kept coming in with his head down, almost lunging, that ggg didn't unload with more uppercut but things seem slower on TV than in the ring.

I think it will all start with someone who can show ggg some power that he'll respect. He doesn't mind getting hit to do what he got to do but his pain tolerance may be off the scale, plus, he looks the same after a fight as he did before. You would think he was sitting with Kellerman rather than actually fighting. He names people he wants to fight, I don't think he will avoid anyone but he can make people he faces look bad.

Well, he is good for boxing, I just hope the king of Manaco isn't going to make it so ggg has no interest in fighting outside of Monaco. He needs to fight in the states or England. I think the King loves the kid and makes it extremely comfortable and lucrative to fight over there. I thought ggg was learning English to further endear himself to the US market.

Anyway, if you want to have a chance with ggg I think you need to be able to make him be concerned about being hit, if such a thing is possible. Does anyone know if ggg has ever been cut in a fight.

[Spicoli]

Pack a lunch and wear a helmet! Seriously though you gotta invest down the middle. Golovkin is not hard to miss and has gaps as he marches in. He looked like he was experimenting with things around the 7th and got hit with some silly shots. Broke his stride in spots but it was like throwing ice cubes into a fan blade. Look to counter that chopping hook and L shaped uppercut. And know and except...you will be hit and pay a tax for your efforts. Oh and bring your own brass balls because its not guaranteed you have Murrays

[brocktonblockbust]

Don't sign the contract.

Im coming close now.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Don't sign the contract.

Im coming close now.

Too much information.

[ykdadamaja]

Run. lol...

[beenKOed]

Don't sign the contract.

Yeah, and let your corner know that you don't want a fight to the death!

When you corner tells you, you need a KO to win, quit!