David Haye- wasted talent?

[ross]

I cant believe theres still people who want him back!

The last three fights he was supposed to be back, he actually signed but didnt fight!

Then he announced early last year he was going to be fighting in september last year and guess what... He didn't fight.

Wise up, he's not doing anything more than he has.

Well it's kinda like this man...

I don't wanna be jerked around by the little bastard anymore either.

But if he DOES come back and fight, I'll be both interested, and, should he prove further to be still a top contender (which injury aside, I don't see how he wouldn't be), then I'd be happy about it.

Haye was the best Cruiser of the 00's generation and at some point toward the end of Vitali's career, imo the 2nd best HW boxer in the world. And he brought style and action with him.

A guy with such speed and slickness and a 95% KOratio can't help but captivate just a little.

How can Haye be the best cruiser of the 00's when he lost to Thompson? Thompson wanted a rematch and Haye didn't. He also never faced Cunningham ( the only man to stop Huck) the IBF champion.

He only beat Macaranelli and Mormeck and thats it. Adamek had a better resume at cruiser than Haye!

Haye had Braithwaite, Huck, Adamek and Jones also. He would have likely lost to all. Mormeck and Macaranelli are not known for their resiliance those others are. He wont face anyone strong who can fight back.

[El Kabong]

Haye's soul wasn't in the game, he was very skilled but his record shows he enjoys the hypeman/showman aspect more so than the actual fighting. Haye loved to do talk shows, interviews, pre-fight pressers, etc but in the ring I cannot say with certainty that he "loved his job"....in the gym I am sure he worked hard as hell, you don't get ripped like that without putting in the time, but I think in the end he wanted to be a movie star, a celebrity, something other than a boxer. David Haye is the epitome of the title "Prize Fighter". Now I think he was very skilled as a boxer, but of course I question his dedication after calling it quits when 1 heavyweight unification title fight didn't go his way, how could I not? I think Haye could have fought and probably SHOULD HAVE fought all the guys you mention ross, he also had plenty of heavyweights to look at for big money fights.

[Master]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight and there was no disgrace in his loss against Wlad who has broken Tyson, Fraizier, Lewis, and Holmes number of title defences.

[El Kabong]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

[Master]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

[El Kabong]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

[Master]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

I am saying if he did fight during that time he would have stayed at the lower weight.

[nuggetdotcom]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

[ross]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit