Evander Holyfield vs Wladimir Klitschko

[SlimTrae]

Need I remind you that James Toney was popped for PEDs and he looked EXACTLY like a fat old man....so your "just look" theory has it's holes

Yeah I've seen fat guys test positive for PEDs, I've seen guys skinny as a rake test positive for PEDs.

But when I see a professional athlete looking better at 40 than he did in his 20s, and I know that said athlete isn't being properly drug tests, ehhhh nope. Sorry, I don't buy it. Guys get worn down, they lose muscle mass and their recovery takes much longer.

The Germans have been on the cutting edge of steroids and PEDs longer than any country.

Definitely a gray area. We can speculate, but facts are facts: He has never tested positive.

Switching up a bit. I think of someone like Roy Jones Jr. a lot smaller but was really ripped. As in ripped fuel?
Even factoring in that he had to lose muscle to go back down to LHW, it didn't mean he would become a fat body or a skinny dude.

Point: When I see RJJ today, I see a guy whose body is that of a plus 40 year old guy. It would seem that Wlad at some point would succumb to father time. I could see him being buffed, but not ripped past age 40. Similar to RJJ.

But maybe Wlad is constantly lifting weights maintaining his physique.

For the record- A prime Holy would have taken the fight to Wlad. Wlad doesent have that rage to brawl like Bowe did..or Lennox could.

[Beanflicker]

But maybe Wlad is constantly lifting weights maintaining his physique.

Takes more than that. Cardio eats away at muscle, especially at 40 years old.

Not testing positive really doesn't mean anything to me, because standard drug testing is useless. Lance Armstrong never tested positive either.

Like I said, I can't convict him in a court of law, that's fine, but I know he's using, like most other athletes.

[Spicoli]

I honestly think Holyfield gets under Wlads jab and chews him up on the inside. Holyfield was deceptively physical for his size and Wlad has many many dead spots inside where all the hugging and falling mauling would leave him in even more vulnerable spots with Holyfields hand speed and counter punching in there. Wlad has a one dimensional temperament in large part, looks to tame you down and control at room temperature pace and he's never seen the edge and tenacity that Evander would put in.