What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?

[El Kabong]

I know you don't like to read anti-Wlad stuff from me particularly, but tough shit.

Joe Frazier got "blasted out" by none other than George Foreman, an ATG. After that fight he didn't change his fighting style.
Had the "Thrilla in Manila" with Ali later on.

Foreman lost in his prime to none other than Ali. He then lost to Jimmy Young and retired, only to come back years later for his storied 2nd career. He was still a big puncher... he was still aggressive, albeit a bit rounder and bit slower.

Lennox got knocked out twice, and came back to avenge both those knockouts with stoppages of his own.
Lewis did not change his fighting style 'cause he had gotten knocked out.

Mike Tyson got stopped by Buster Douglas and damn if people don't give Douglas enough credit for fighting the fight of his life. It was toe-to-toe for 10 rounds.
Mike didn't change his fighting style after that.

Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Marciano..... ALL those guys you mentioned maintained their aggressive, effective fighting style throughout their entire, illustrious, HOF careers.


Wladimir Klitschko got KO'ed early in his career by virtual bums. That experience, coupled with some coaching from Emanuel, turned Wlad into a timid little rabbit. Those fighters who were later knocked out by him were scared shitless themselves (ie: Ray Austin), or were downright bums (ie: Leapai, Pianeta). On other occasions the yellow streak was mutual (ie: Sultan, Haye), resulting in horrible fights. Finally, on the rare occasions the opponent was up to the task, Wlad would shamelessly foul, clinch, and maul to his heart's content (ie: Povetkin).

Wlad did change his fighting style to one of survival over aggression.



Every HW champion has had their share of bums on their resumes. But not until Wladimir has there been a HW champion so hated for what I've stated above. Sure, he's beloved in Germany. Who doesn't support their native (or adopted) son in the most prestigious title in all of sports? But outside of that, people abhor him. Why do you think the popularity of the HW division has plummeted since Wlad began his reign? A lot of people (myself included) were ecstatic when Wlad lost to Fury (I wanted a KO, but I'll wait for Joshua to do that). And where is Fury now? It doesn't matter. In fact, it's even MORE damning for Wlad to have lost to such a loser, in what was probably the WORST FUCKING FIGHT IN THE HISTORY OF THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION.... breaking all sorts of records for inactivity? WHY? Because as usual, Wlad was scared shitless. THAT is why he only managed to land a punch every full moon or so.

I'm sure your answers to me will not be as measured as they've been for the others, but again... FUCK IT.
Those are the facts, take them or leave them.

Oooh look at TitoFan trying to be sassy

No Joe Frazier didn't change his style, he was 29 years old and a pressure fighter....he wasn't going to be able to change his style. Ali changed HIS style in order to what was that you said "to one of survival over aggression" but that's no biggie, it's Ali and not 1 bad word will be said about HIM. Sure you see Ali vs Williams and see your float like a butterfly sting like a bee, then you see Ali-Foreman and it's lay on the ropes like you're tired and arm punch like a bee....but oh Ali was the greatest and totally not because he just said that shit himself

Foreman's style changed completely from the Ali loss to his comeback, in part due to age and in part due to him fighting smarter using height and reach

This caveat of "b-b-b-but he didn't change his style" is ridiculous and secondary to the whole "got knocked out in his prime" main issue, but good try. You want to hate the guy hate the guy go ahead, but don't get mad if I come along and correct a few things here and there about what you say because you get a bit happy with your words and sometimes you lay it on a little thick as to how things happen.

"Lennox Lewis avenged his defeats".....Wlad beat Lamon Brewster and what? Nothing he gets nothing for that? No "Atta boy" no "Way to be champ" Haha, only Wlad can do that avenge a defeat and then STILL have you bring up "Well Lennox avenged his defeats" like Wlad has done absolutely nothing....Wlad got up off the canvas to win a fight, Lennox ever do that? But naaah, that's no big deal no need to be handing Wlad any credit because you thoroughly dislike the guy.....fine, dislike away, enjoy your disliking.

Tyson didn't change his style.....oh really? Well then you must be the fucking first person to ever admit that because if you ask a Tyson fan about him there's no better Tyson than Tyson with Cus or Rooney and anything else is not Tyson in his prime.


I get it you don't like Wlad....please oh please tell me MORE about it oooooh and could you do it in a way where you're condescending and patronizing to me at the same time? OOOOH I just can't WAIT for that post

common, do you really think that they were unaware of the potential fan base that wlad had at the time

and punching to the back of the head? wlad ran scared for 12 rounds in that first fight, his head was down or turned more than he was looking forward

Potential fan base?!?! Right before that fight even VITALI was telling Wlad "Hey, maybe you should retire". Sam Peter was THE NEXT BIG THING he didn't pan out in the end but come on man, Wlad was at the deepest depth of his career right there.