Vasyl Lomachenko is P4P #1

[Master]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

[Fenster]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

[Master]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

That was because GGG rattled him early in the first round and played with him even taking unnecessary punches because they had little affect on him.

[TitoFan]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

That was because GGG rattled him early in the first round and played with him even taking unnecessary punches because they had little affect on him.

Totally agree, @Master . People tend to get carried away with a good performance when they want to see that fighter succeed. I like Brook, don't get me wrong. But do people really think GGG didn't fight a different type of fight knowing full well that it was only a matter of time, and that Brook couldn't hurt him? Do they think he would've allowed himself to get hit that many times had Brook been more of a danger? C'mon. Fighters adjust their styles according to what's in front of them. GGG stalked down Brook and did what everybody and their mother knew he was going to do. Kudos to Brook for lasting as long as he did.

[Fenster]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

That was because GGG rattled him early in the first round and played with him even taking unnecessary punches because they had little affect on him.

What's that got to do with anything?

I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about what happened in the Brook-GGG fight.

However, anyone that thinks GGG let Brook hit him on purpose is a div. And even if the punches didn't have an effect (claimed by idiots that weren't taking them - lol, couldn't make it up) they cost him two rounds on the judges cards. That's two rounds MORE than the five middleweights you mentioned could manage to win between them.

[Master]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

That was because GGG rattled him early in the first round and played with him even taking unnecessary punches because they had little affect on him.

What's that got to do with anything?

I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about what happened in the Brook-GGG fight.

However, anyone that thinks GGG let Brook hit him on purpose is a div. And even if the punches didn't have an effect (claimed by idiots that weren't taking them - lol, couldn't make it up) they cost him two rounds on the judges cards. That's two rounds MORE than the five middleweights you mentioned could manage to win between them.

So now you are comparing Brook to the great welterweights that challenged middleweights when you conveniently forgeting the fact that he only got his shot at GGG because Eubank Jnr turned it down and they had no decent opponent left.

Triple G even said that Brook should stay at welterweight because his punches had no effect. I do not need to take them when I can see GGG smiling at Brook's effort.

Remind me again what weight Brook is campaigning in his next fight?

[Fenster]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

That was because GGG rattled him early in the first round and played with him even taking unnecessary punches because they had little affect on him.

What's that got to do with anything?

I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about what happened in the Brook-GGG fight.

However, anyone that thinks GGG let Brook hit him on purpose is a div. And even if the punches didn't have an effect (claimed by idiots that weren't taking them - lol, couldn't make it up) they cost him two rounds on the judges cards. That's two rounds MORE than the five middleweights you mentioned could manage to win between them.

So now you are comparing Brook to the great welterweights that challenged middleweights when you conveniently forgeting the fact that he only got his shot at GGG because Eubank Jnr turned it down and they had no decent opponent left.

Triple G even said that Brook should stay at welterweight because his punches had no effect. I do not need to take them when I can see GGG smiling at Brook's effort.

Remind me again what weight Brook is campaigning in his next fight?

What are you babbling about now? Eubank Jr? Great welterweights? Brook's next fight is at welterweight?

So what!?! None of that has anything to do with whether or not Brook was a better opponent than the middleweights you mentioned.

Brook did better than them. Fact. Circumstances are irrelevant. Fact. I don't care what you think about Brook. Fact.

[Master]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

That was because GGG rattled him early in the first round and played with him even taking unnecessary punches because they had little affect on him.

What's that got to do with anything?

I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about what happened in the Brook-GGG fight.

However, anyone that thinks GGG let Brook hit him on purpose is a div. And even if the punches didn't have an effect (claimed by idiots that weren't taking them - lol, couldn't make it up) they cost him two rounds on the judges cards. That's two rounds MORE than the five middleweights you mentioned could manage to win between them.

So now you are comparing Brook to the great welterweights that challenged middleweights when you conveniently forgeting the fact that he only got his shot at GGG because Eubank Jnr turned it down and they had no decent opponent left.

Triple G even said that Brook should stay at welterweight because his punches had no effect. I do not need to take them when I can see GGG smiling at Brook's effort.

Remind me again what weight Brook is campaigning in his next fight?

What are you babbling about now? Eubank Jr? Great welterweights? Brook's next fight is at welterweight?

So what!?! None of that has anything to do with whether or not Brook was a better opponent than the middleweights you mentioned.

Brook did better than them. Fact. Circumstances are irrelevant. Fact. I don't care what you think about Brook. Fact.

Are you still on this?

Everything I have stated are relevant facts as to why Brook is not better than the middleweights GGG has faced.

The circumstances are relevant irrespective of what I think about Brook. Size matters whether you like it or not.

[Primo Carnera]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

not wanting to jump in on your debate , but just a question @Fenster. If Brook hadn't got injured, how do you think the fight would've panned out? I got the impression the power was wearing him down.
I have to say the 3rd round from Brook was one of the "Ballsyist" rounds of boxing I've seen for a long time.

[Master]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

not wanting to jump in on your debate , but just a question @Fenster. If Brook hadn't got injured, how do you think the fight would've panned out? I got the impression the power was wearing him down.
I have to say the 3rd round from Brook was one of the "Ballsyist" rounds of boxing I've seen for a long time.

Brook gave it his all but Triple G was always in control and Murray showed more bottle after being knocked down early and surviving into the later rounds.

[Fenster]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

not wanting to jump in on your debate , but just a question @Fenster. If Brook hadn't got injured, how do you think the fight would've panned out? I got the impression the power was wearing him down.
I have to say the 3rd round from Brook was one of the "Ballsyist" rounds of boxing I've seen for a long time.

I have no doubt Brook would have been stopped, i don't even think he won three rounds.

Master named a bunch of middleweights Golovkin walloped who are "better names" than Brook. Not only is that stupid, as Brook is more high profile than them, but also stupid because Brook did better against Golovkin than all.

Thickos on here act like everything that happens is a first for boxing. Welterweights have been challenging middleweights since boxing began, the brilliant smaller man challenging the brilliant bigger man are among the most famous in history. It's the very fact that Brook is a top drawer proven world-class welterweight, far superior to those decent world-level middleweights, that he could hold his own for a while. The same Brook that fought Golovkin would have smashed Daniel Geale to bits.

[Primo Carnera]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

Everyone of them would beat Brook? Did they all do better than "middleweight" Brook against Golovkin too?

Geale, Rubio and Wade were knocked out inside 3 rounds. Monroe survived for 6 rounds, suffering three knockdowns and never won a round.

Brook was level 2-2 with Golovkin on two judges scorecards and 3-1 down on the other. He never hit the deck, quit or went close to being sparked, he lost through an injury.

not wanting to jump in on your debate , but just a question @Fenster. If Brook hadn't got injured, how do you think the fight would've panned out? I got the impression the power was wearing him down.
I have to say the 3rd round from Brook was one of the "Ballsyist" rounds of boxing I've seen for a long time.

I have no doubt Brook would have been stopped, i don't even think he won three rounds.

Master named a bunch of middleweights Golovkin walloped who are "better names" than Brook. Not only is that stupid, as Brook is more high profile than them, but also stupid because Brook did better against Golovkin than all.

Thickos on here act like everything that happens is a first for boxing. Welterweights have been challenging middleweights since boxing began, the brilliant smaller man challenging the brilliant bigger man are among the most famous in history. It's the very fact that Brook is a top drawer proven world-class welterweight, far superior to those decent world-level middleweights, that he could hold his own for a while. The same Brook that fought Golovkin would have smashed Daniel Geale to bits.

I agree what you're saying about Brook and I don't think he won 3 rounds, but he showed bags more heart and cojones than Murray et al. And just because somebody like Murray lasts more rounds where he adopts a high guard and doesn't really have a go, it doesn't mean he did better than Brook, because Brook had a proper go.
But on the other side of the coin , the weights are there for a reason, and as time goes on in a fight, the heavier man would have the advantage. Although Brook is an exceptionality big WW.