Why can't American fighters sell the same amount of tickets as UK fighters?

[Primo Carnera]

The thread starts on a false premise. That nobody knows Wilder. This is people falling for Eddie's tricks. Amazing people fall for this.

For example, one 430k watched Joshua vs Parker.(average) That is the prime time showing. The afternoon showing had less. The next afternoon had less still.

Where as Wilder vs Ortiz averaged 1.1 million. Wilder consistently has the best numbers in the states.

So don't fall for Eddie's tricks.

Like others have said Boxing falls under "other sports" here. Every Saturday my local University packs more than 110,000 in for a football game. There are 118 such Division I universities. There is also Division II, III, NAIA. There is pro football. There is pro basketball, college basketball, and on And on. America is one big distraction so the people don't notice how quickly the country crumbles around them. And we don't support by nationality. I would say about 1/3 of my boxing fandom an American was my favorite.

Add in that boxing can't be seen in a stadium. Frankly anyone going to a stadium fight is going to enjoy the atmosphere, not watch a fight.

The reasons can go On and On why a stadium fight in U.S.
is an awful idea

I agree with your comments on Stadium fights . But you have to admit that :
1. Joshua getting 430k viewers as a foreign boxer compared to Wilder’s 1.1 million is more impressive. For example when Wilder is shown in the UK, he wouldn’t get anywhere 35% of the viewers that Joshua would get.
2. When you do a pro rata calculation based on the population of the US as opposed to the population of the UK , 1.1 million viewers is pretty pathetic for somebody holding one of the most prestigious positions of World Sport, a WORLD Heavyweight Champion.
Furthermore when you consider the rich heritage of US World HW Champions , Louis, Ali, Liston,Frazier, Foreman, Holmes,Tyson, etc.etc. Etc. It’s blatantly obvious that the public just aren’t buying him. Hence, why he has to try to get attention by saying some of the most idiotic things you’ve ever heard in your life, like how “he wants a body on his record” and “I thought I had one when Zpilica went down as he stopped breathing.” He’s a cunt and he should be banned for minimum one year.
Before he said that, I was ok with him, but that is unacceptable.
The Americans are very choosy in their sporting heroes, much more so than the Brits. Americans will only go overboard about someone who is actually the real deal and not just hype. Which is exactly how it should be.
I don’t think that it’s about the volume of sports in the US, I think Boxing is more popular than that. Now if you had given that reason about Michael Johnson or John McEnroe not getting their dues, I would fully accept it , because their sports are minority in the US.

[Ron Swanson]

The thread starts on a false premise. That nobody knows Wilder. This is people falling for Eddie's tricks. Amazing people fall for this.

For example, one 430k watched Joshua vs Parker.(average) That is the prime time showing. The afternoon showing had less. The next afternoon had less still.

Where as Wilder vs Ortiz averaged 1.1 million. Wilder consistently has the best numbers in the states.

So don't fall for Eddie's tricks.

Like others have said Boxing falls under "other sports" here. Every Saturday my local University packs more than 110,000 in for a football game. There are 118 such Division I universities. There is also Division II, III, NAIA. There is pro football. There is pro basketball, college basketball, and on And on. America is one big distraction so the people don't notice how quickly the country crumbles around them. And we don't support by nationality. I would say about 1/3 of my boxing fandom an American was my favorite.

Add in that boxing can't be seen in a stadium. Frankly anyone going to a stadium fight is going to enjoy the atmosphere, not watch a fight.

The reasons can go On and On why a stadium fight in U.S.
is an awful idea

I agree with your comments on Stadium fights . But you have to admit that :
1. Joshua getting 430k viewers as a foreign boxer compared to Wilder’s 1.1 million is more impressive. For example when Wilder is shown in the UK, he wouldn’t get anywhere 35% of the viewers that Joshua would get.
2. When you do a pro rata calculation based on the population of the US as opposed to the population of the UK , 1.1 million viewers is pretty pathetic for somebody holding one of the most prestigious positions of World Sport, a WORLD Heavyweight Champion.
Furthermore when you consider the rich heritage of US World HW Champions , Louis, Ali, Liston,Frazier, Foreman, Holmes,Tyson, etc.etc. Etc. It’s blatantly obvious that the public just aren’t buying him. Hence, why he has to try to get attention by saying some of the most idiotic things you’ve ever heard in your life, like how “he wants a body on his record” and “I thought I had one when Zpilica went down as he stopped breathing.” He’s a cunt and he should be banned for minimum one year.
Before he said that, I was ok with him, but that is unacceptable.
The Americans are very choosy in their sporting heroes, much more so than the Brits. Americans will only go overboard about someone who is actually the real deal and not just hype. Which is exactly how it should be.
I don’t think that it’s about the volume of sports in the US, I think Boxing is more popular than that. Now if you had given that reason about Michael Johnson or John McEnroe not getting their dues, I would fully accept it , because their sports are minority in the US.

I don't think foreign has anything to do with it. Clenelo gets good numbers, Pac got great numbers, Morales, JCC, Tito, can go On and On and on.

I think Americans don't like bigger lumbering athletes. Holyfield was more popular than Bowe who dominated him. Tyson was more popular than Holyfield who dominated him. The more explosive athlete is more popular.


AJ fights more like Klitschko all the time, great for his career but won't draw American fans. Look at Lennox, Americans love winners right, he never caught on, safety first style.

If AJ fought with reckless abandon his numbers would go up. It's a cage fight country now. Very few of us want to see skill.

If UK will take the reigns as the place to fight I say fine. I just hope you all start making the demands we made of fighters here over the years. The softer matchmaking needs to go if you will run the market. And scorecards need to improve.(no offense, I know US had its share of BS cards)