Name a time in history it was the good guys banning books

[walrus]

And because you won't read that far:

But wait, I've heard that schools DO ban books. Those filthy liberals with their cancel culture. So, I went to the Google to look up a list of the most banned books last year because that's a thing anyone with internet can do.


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And I found out that for the most recent year for which we have data (2019), of the 10 books most challenged and banned, *EIGHT* of them were solely because of LGBTQ themes. It seems social conservatives have worked overtime to, uh, "cancel" LGBTQ books.




Keep reading.

You need to find out what’s actually go on in the US before you make yourself look more stupid. No one is in a tizzy here just pointing out the stupidity

[NoSavingByTheBell]

"Tizzy for your Thoughts"

by Kirk-o-Land-O-Lakes


Up in a tizzy
Knickers in a right twist
Kirk listens to Thin Lizzy
And slapped Walrus on the wrist

But Walrus aint down for that shit
He will antique your ass like Persian rug
And if you keep doing it
He will squash you like a bug

See knick-knacks n shits
Are good investments, Laing
We know you know about pieces and bits
And dont drive no Mustang

So keep up the good work Kirk
Your duties you cannot shirk
And if you need a little perk:
You can Zoom this Saturday with a Turk

[Kirkland Laing]

And because you won't read that far:

But wait, I've heard that schools DO ban books. Those filthy liberals with their cancel culture. So, I went to the Google to look up a list of the most banned books last year because that's a thing anyone with internet can do.


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And I found out that for the most recent year for which we have data (2019), of the 10 books most challenged and banned, *EIGHT* of them were solely because of LGBTQ themes. It seems social conservatives have worked overtime to, uh, "cancel" LGBTQ books.




Keep reading.

You need to find out what’s actually go on in the US before you make yourself look more stupid. No one is in a tizzy here just pointing out the stupidity

Here's what's going on. The Seuss estate withdrew half a dozen Seuss books from the catalogue as a business decision. They felt that selling racist imagery would damage their long term profits. Conservative news took this business decision by a private company and turned it into a bullshit story about government censorship and the liberals coming for your culture. Conservative media consumers responded by buying Dr. Seuss books in such incredible numbers that over thirty of Amazon's top fifty books are Dr. Seuss books:

https://twitter.com/allahpundit/stat...57755879432193

So conservative media consumers in a bid to own the cancel culture purveyors are currently sending truckloads of money to the Seuss estate who were the ones who cancelled the books in the first place. You people are complete fucking idiots.

Also, too, chef's kiss:

https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1367470576256897031

[Gandalf]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

[Beanz]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

That is wilfull misrepresentation of the truth. Seuss was himself mature enough to grow and stop calling the character a Chinaman and realise that completing the stereotype with slanty eyes and a triangle hat was actually selling himself short. Nobody but you fibbers are complaining about just the depiction of chopsticks.

This is where an actual example of a moderate response by a private company or estate bring met by what is let's be honest and not mince words.. An extremist almost communist desire to tell individuals and companies what to do by very bored people on the right.

The mural is staying, with only that character replaced, and the majority of the book series will remain.

Freedom of speech and expression it seems does not extend in your eyes to those who refuse to stand still and watch the world move on.

[Gandalf]

My mother in law works in the fields with a traditional covering for the head, has oriental eyes, and uses chopsticks. Kinda normal, old boy. Out here in brochures whitey often has exaggerated round eyes and a pointy nose.

Do me and my mother in law not somewhat fit those stereotypes? Of course we do and no harm is done and the world is just fine.

[Beanz]

My mother in law works in the fields with a traditional covering for the head, has oriental eyes, and uses chopsticks. Kinda normal, old boy. Out here in brochures whitey often has exaggerated round eyes and a pointy nose.

Do me and my mother in law not somewhat fit those stereotypes? Of course we do and no harm is done and the world is just fine.

What you are basically saying then is that unless you yourself are offended it doesn't matter what any else thinks? You never address the substance of anything, just surface level virtue signalling and no real engagement with anything but your own inflated opinion. It is a growing trend here on the forum. It is almost like people don't want to discuss or debate anything just use it as a soapbox. Now you have people boasting about not reading others posters or claiming they use too man words, or calling them boy as though that were some kind of alternative to engaging with them.

It has nothing to do with you does it? It is a private company and the people who own the rights to a reputation they are trying to honour. You just want to tell other people what to do.

Which ironically is the exact thing your are bitching about

[Beanz]

How short people's memories are..just off the top of my head these are some things the conservative right have called to be cancelled and banned.


Harry Potter (Demonic)
Judas Priest ( Satanic when played backwards)
The Simpsons (anti-Christian)
D&D (Satanic)
Teletubbies (Gay propaganda)
Disney's Frozen (Peterson the bellend insisting it was Feminist propaganda)
Angry Femninsts
Anti Fascism
Even very straightforward sex education in schools
Teaching Evolution
Kosher Food
etc, etc

[Gandalf]

My mother in law works in the fields with a traditional covering for the head, has oriental eyes, and uses chopsticks. Kinda normal, old boy. Out here in brochures whitey often has exaggerated round eyes and a pointy nose.

Do me and my mother in law not somewhat fit those stereotypes? Of course we do and no harm is done and the world is just fine.

What you are basically saying then is that unless you yourself are offended it doesn't matter what any else thinks? You never address the substance of anything, just surface level virtue signalling and no real engagement with anything but your own inflated opinion. It is a growing trend here on the forum. It is almost like people don't want to discuss or debate anything just use it as a soapbox. Now you have people boasting about not reading others posters or claiming they use too man words, or calling them boy as though that were some kind of alternative to engaging with them.

It has nothing to do with you does it? It is a private company and the people who own the rights to a reputation they are trying to honour. You just want to tell other people what to do.

Which ironically is the exact thing your are bitching about

What substance? Stop sidetracking and get back to the oriental image. What is offensive about a farmers hat that protects from the sun? What is offensive about oriental eyes? What is offensive about chopsticks? What is offensive about traditional clothes that are usually worn on special occasions?

Who and what are you arguing on behalf of? It is so silly. I share my life with Asians and brought this up when my wife was chatting to her sister yesterday. They found it strange that it was even a topic. We joke about differences in appearance quite casually. I am big nose and they have smaller eyes. Again, so what? I can use chopsticks. Stop the clocks. Lordy.

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

[Gandalf]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

Don't be so silly. If anything what they have done is make their own stopped product all the more in demand whence copies selling on ebay for thousands of dollars before that too was stopped because they do not want to be involved in 'offensive' material, whilst of course still selling Walrus' favorite 'How to be a Nazi' guidebook otherwise known as Mein Kampf by a bloke called Mr Hitler.

Naked Lunch, Lolita....there are many books that are not in keeping with the thinking of Ordinary Joe, but to be fair nobody thinks a Chinese man using chopsticks is deemed racist by Ordinary Joe. It is just that Twitter minority that you are so into and they are nutjobs.

[TitoFan]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

A fair question to ask is why now. Dr. Seuss books have been around for about 80-some years. Why now? I think I know the answer to that... but it's still worth pondering.

Why is it that something that's been around 80-some years is only NOW deemed offensive?

Ditto for Aunt Jemima... ditto for MR. Potato Head... ditto for any number of things/brands/titles/etc. that used to pass for inoffensive, harmless shit.

If it's all economics, wasn't there money to be made beforehand?

Besides... the money is made when shit has to be repackaged/republished/rereleased/etc, etc, etc.

My question is why is it all suddenly offensive NOW?

[Gandalf]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

A fair question to ask is why now. Dr. Seuss books have been around for about 80-some years. Why now? I think I know the answer to that... but it's still worth pondering.

Why is it that something that's been around 80-some years is only NOW deemed offensive?

Ditto for Aunt Jemima... ditto for MR. Potato Head... ditto for any number of things/brands/titles/etc. that used to pass for inoffensive, harmless shit.

If it's all economics, wasn't there money to be made beforehand?

Besides... the money is made when shit has to be repackaged/republished/rereleased/etc, etc, etc.

My question is why is it all suddenly offensive NOW?

Good points.

I now have to explain to my mother in law that she is now offensive. I mean she gets on at me for not eating rice 3 times a day, wears baggy trousers and a hat in the fields, she wears traditional costume at weddings, and has those oriental eyes. How dare she be like this fitting all these stereotypes? She has to change because to depict her in animated form as she is would certainly be very offensive.

How is it racist if I can go out and take a picture and show that it is actually true even today? Should other cultures not be as they are to fit some vision of what Twitter or the Grievance studies crowd thinks they should be? I find nothing racist or harmful in this image. There must be something wrong with you if you do and lo and behold he is farming rice. The horror.

http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nat.../115_9152.html

[walrus]

Don’t get hung up on just the Dr Seuss this is happening in the US to a large degree. Look what Amazon is doing with “hate speech” and books the NYT won’t review that come from conservative writers, authors they have been reviewing and selling on Amazon and reviewing in the NYT suddenly have no space.

Saturday my wife and we’re out all day and at night Turner Classics played the original “Gone with the Wind” the now “non politically correct version. In other words they just played the film as it was made. Complete with a warning at the beginning. TCM comes under fire for doing this. I’m a classic movie buff and gone with the wind was so many years ahead of its time film wise it’s amazing. Part of our history, well a lot of it wasn’t pretty. Most countries can say the same. England brought slavery to the “new world”. Why can mein kampf be purchased on Amazon but not conservative authors. Why is Django unchained not fussed about. There are actually classic movies that portray slavery much more intensely than Gone with the Wind I hear less about. Slavery was a terrible thing but it happened it’s part of our history. The old south is part of our history. Thank you TCM for playing Gone with the Wind. I just don’t like this shit. You know what I wish I didn’t go to war but it’s part of my history now. I got more thanks than bullets but the bullets are hard to forget. I think war is a horrible waste of human life. Perhaps I’d still romanticize it in a way or not fully comprehend why people come back so fucked up. I wouldn’t have seen how bad females are treated in large swaths of the world, it’s a lot different seeing it than reading about it.

China has some terrible racism, I’m not just talking about the camps I’m talking about humans from certain provinces are looked down upon as subhuman. India with its caste system, fuck how backwards is that shit. So I think the US has come a long way and has done some amazing things but now we can’t separate races, sexual orientation into boxes fast enough. We are going the wrong way. I’ll continue to judge a human for what they do not what they look like. I’ll help out when I can. No issue here with legal immigrants, but we have a homeless and food issue in this country everyday why can’t we take care of that. Devout the resources to people here already, I’ve seen some success stories just not enough. I want the open exchange of ideas from both sides I don’t dismiss my liberal buddies because they think different than me. I also don’t debate them constantly, we have much more common interest that to let politics, race or religion separate us. They can bust my balls about being white Catholic and I can laugh about it. Some of this shit we are doing just seems so stupid.

I don’t want to see a gay American succeed, I don’t want to see an African American succeed, I don’t want to see transgenders succeed I want to see all Americans succeed regardless of what label has been slapped on them. When you are with a small group of people in a war zone you do not give one shit about the race of the guy next to you. He is your brother. You would give your life for him and he would do the same for you. Those aren’t just words when you are in battle you are fighting for the guy next to you. Yes the mission remains set by the brass but you want to make sure everyone with you makes it back, that’s all we are fighting for. When you call in artillery or a strike of some sort, those guys may be miles away but they were thinking the same shit.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

How dare Miles have posted that photo of that Korean farmer with that hat. Culture has changed. Surely not EVERY Korean dresses like this in 2021? It now makes it very plain that the intent is to say that ALL Asians are smiling hat wearing farmers. I bet you would even imply that that farmer there uses chopsticks when he eats, but it is 2021 again. Will you be so brazen to say that that farmer eats rice 3 times a day? How brazen if so! Koreans now in 2021 can eat falafel and hummus and tamales and even pizza! Why would they eat rice 3 times a day?? I bet you would even go so far over the line and say he eats soy sauce a lot. And, and, .... uhhh .....

Oh, wait....