Name a time in history it was the good guys banning books

**Gandalf** · 03-06-2021 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Beanz

Originally Posted by Gandalf

My mother in law works in the fields with a traditional covering for the head, has oriental eyes, and uses chopsticks. Kinda normal, old boy. Out here in brochures whitey often has exaggerated round eyes and a pointy nose.

Do me and my mother in law not somewhat fit those stereotypes? Of course we do and no harm is done and the world is just fine.

What you are basically saying then is that unless you yourself are offended it doesn't matter what any else thinks? You never address the substance of anything, just surface level virtue signalling and no real engagement with anything but your own inflated opinion. It is a growing trend here on the forum. It is almost like people don't want to discuss or debate anything just use it as a soapbox. Now you have people boasting about not reading others posters or claiming they use too man words, or calling them boy as though that were some kind of alternative to engaging with them.

It has nothing to do with you does it? It is a private company and the people who own the rights to a reputation they are trying to honour. You just want to tell other people what to do.

Which ironically is the exact thing your are bitching about

What substance? Stop sidetracking and get back to the oriental image. What is offensive about a farmers hat that protects from the sun? What is offensive about oriental eyes? What is offensive about chopsticks? What is offensive about traditional clothes that are usually worn on special occasions?

Who and what are you arguing on behalf of? It is so silly. I share my life with Asians and brought this up when my wife was chatting to her sister yesterday. They found it strange that it was even a topic. We joke about differences in appearance quite casually. I am big nose and they have smaller eyes. Again, so what? I can use chopsticks. Stop the clocks. Lordy.

**Beanz** · 03-06-2021 11:13 PM

I am arguing on behalf of honesty and your argument is fundamentally dishonest. You as usual are cherry picking, moving the goal posts and deflecting in order to not admit you just jumped on the bandwagon instead of thinking for yourself.

**Gandalf** · 03-06-2021 11:54 PM

I don't think you are being honest if you do not think East Asians look Oriental and it somehow has to be purged. My honesty is in disagreeing with you and telling you that real East Asians I know are laugh at it even being an issue. There is nothing wrong with chopsticks, traditional clothing or eye shape. Kids will draw things the same way. I say this as a man who is attracted to the East.

Another case in point are the masks made by Koreans sold in Myeong Dong. They typically depict small eyes and do look a bit strange. Obviously they are a caricature. They look like this and I have bought such items as gifts. Is this racist because of the eye form and element of the grotesque? Should we ban them too? 'Darn squinty eyes' pleadeth Lord Beanz. 'Racist!'

http://www.antiquealive.com/store/de...ngban-Hahoetal

I just disagree with you and have pointed out that caricature works both ways and you even see it in government leaflets here. It does not matter.

**Gandalf** · 03-07-2021 12:00 AM

Yes, I know a sentence was a bit strange. Am on a phone and do not want to delete and post again. That mask lacks the chopsticks, but eyes are now apparently the issue.

**Beanz** · 03-07-2021 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Gandalf

I don't think you are being honest if you do not think East Asians look Oriental and it somehow has to be purged. My honesty is in disagreeing with you and telling you that real East Asians I know are laugh at it even being an issue. There is nothing wrong with chopsticks, traditional clothing or eye shape. Kids will draw things the same way. I say this as a man who is attracted to the East.

Another case in point are the masks made by Koreans sold in Myeong Dong. They typically depict small eyes and do look a bit strange. Obviously they are a caricature. They look like this and I have bought such items as gifts. Is this racist because of the eye form and element of the grotesque? Should we ban them too? 'Darn squinty eyes' pleadeth Lord Beanz. 'Racist!'

http://www.antiquealive.com/store/de...ngban-Hahoetal

I just disagree with you and have pointed out that caricature works both ways and you even see it in government leaflets here. It does not matter.

Again you are not being honest. Lets go back to the beginning.

A private company made a decision to stop publishing and reprinting 6 books anymore in a series created many years ago in order to avoid causing unnecessary offense and to respond to a changed world and market.

They are still reprinting and publishing the other 33 books in the series.

All your talk of banning and purging is not in anyway reflective of the reality of the situation.

You and Brock can pull whoever you like out of your red and white hat and pretend that their not being offended is relevant but it really isn't.

It is a marketing decision the company made because they believe those images to be offensive. When you read the entire story and take into account context etc across all six books, it actually makes perfect sense and is a rational reasonable moderate response.

Unlike yours and Brocks that pleads with everyone to join in your outrage.

**NoSavingByTheBell** · 03-07-2021 12:16 AM

It is all so ridiculous really. Who exactly among the Asian community was offended by this? I just asked my Vietnamese friend in NYC literally 10 minutes ago about this, and he was laughing his ass off. He said he "cannot imagine why the Western World would consider those images offensive to Asian people." He then said he feels proud about it! The opposite of what the Pearl-Clutching, Fainting-Couch Crowd feels! Always side-splittingly hilarious when white people want to tell other white people that Asian people are offended by this or that. ASK THE ASIAN PEOPLE, MAYBE