Who’s had the vaccine ? Side effects ?

[TIC]

@TIC , Polite questions.
1. Is Cancer real ?
2. Is Global Warming real ?

i think i have always been polite in my responses to you directly, apologizes if i am wrong. you have admitted that you only hold a belief & i admire your honesty. my honest reply would be why the red herrings? honest question, do those questions have anything to do with proving covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces? if you want to have a separate discussions on disease & weather i am happy to do so but we distinguish between the conversations

You have always been polite in your responses to me , so no apologies needed. However, unfortunately you haven’t been very forthcoming with your “belief.” Or point of view.
Ok, so I will answer your question again and PLEASE can you then answer mine?
Why the red herrings? Not really a red herring, just curious on your thoughts .
Because your theory of what is truth and what is belief could easily relate to both these questions and basically nearly everything in the World.
You see, we ALL believe certain things we are told at some stage of our lives.
Yes , of course there are things that we KNOW are true, for example , potatoes are grown in the ground. We know that because we can do it ourselves.
But we only believe things about Cancer and Global warming for example, because of what we are told.

i don't hold a belief. the claim is that covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces. i'm not saying you have claimed this to be true but that is the claim that has been presented to me. so my question to those that support that claim is how do you know that to be true. everyone is free to believe what they want but unless you know something to be true then you only hold a belief & i am not interested in beliefs. you asking about cancer & global warming are red herrings to my question. unless they can somehow provide proof to the question i'm asking. i am happy to answer you questions but you have to understand that they are a distraction from my question. my question has always been about knowing & believing. i know people get ill & i know the weather changes. the causes can be due to many possibilities

[Primo Carnera]

@TIC , Polite questions.
1. Is Cancer real ?
2. Is Global Warming real ?

i think i have always been polite in my responses to you directly, apologizes if i am wrong. you have admitted that you only hold a belief & i admire your honesty. my honest reply would be why the red herrings? honest question, do those questions have anything to do with proving covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces? if you want to have a separate discussions on disease & weather i am happy to do so but we distinguish between the conversations

You have always been polite in your responses to me , so no apologies needed. However, unfortunately you haven’t been very forthcoming with your “belief.” Or point of view.
Ok, so I will answer your question again and PLEASE can you then answer mine?
Why the red herrings? Not really a red herring, just curious on your thoughts .
Because your theory of what is truth and what is belief could easily relate to both these questions and basically nearly everything in the World.
You see, we ALL believe certain things we are told at some stage of our lives.
Yes , of course there are things that we KNOW are true, for example , potatoes are grown in the ground. We know that because we can do it ourselves.
But we only believe things about Cancer and Global warming for example, because of what we are told.

i don't hold a belief. the claim is that covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces. i'm not saying you have claimed this to be true but that is the claim that has been presented to me. so my question to those that support that claim is how do you know that to be true. everyone is free to believe what they want but unless you know something to be true then you only hold a belief & i am not interested in beliefs. you asking about cancer & global warming are red herrings to my question. unless they can somehow provide proof to the question i'm asking. i am happy to answer you questions but you have to understand that they are a distraction from my question. my question has always been about knowing & believing. i know people get ill & i know the weather changes. the causes can be due to many possibilities

Ok, if you are happy to answer my questions, will you answer them please?

[TIC]

@TIC , Polite questions.
1. Is Cancer real ?
2. Is Global Warming real ?

i think i have always been polite in my responses to you directly, apologizes if i am wrong. you have admitted that you only hold a belief & i admire your honesty. my honest reply would be why the red herrings? honest question, do those questions have anything to do with proving covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces? if you want to have a separate discussions on disease & weather i am happy to do so but we distinguish between the conversations

You have always been polite in your responses to me , so no apologies needed. However, unfortunately you haven’t been very forthcoming with your “belief.” Or point of view.
Ok, so I will answer your question again and PLEASE can you then answer mine?
Why the red herrings? Not really a red herring, just curious on your thoughts .
Because your theory of what is truth and what is belief could easily relate to both these questions and basically nearly everything in the World.
You see, we ALL believe certain things we are told at some stage of our lives.
Yes , of course there are things that we KNOW are true, for example , potatoes are grown in the ground. We know that because we can do it ourselves.
But we only believe things about Cancer and Global warming for example, because of what we are told.

i don't hold a belief. the claim is that covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces. i'm not saying you have claimed this to be true but that is the claim that has been presented to me. so my question to those that support that claim is how do you know that to be true. everyone is free to believe what they want but unless you know something to be true then you only hold a belief & i am not interested in beliefs. you asking about cancer & global warming are red herrings to my question. unless they can somehow provide proof to the question i'm asking. i am happy to answer you questions but you have to understand that they are a distraction from my question. my question has always been about knowing & believing. i know people get ill & i know the weather changes. the causes can be due to many possibilities

Ok, if you are happy to answer my questions, will you answer them please?

i should have been a little more clear. you can call a person's illness whatever you like. you see an illness & call it cancer, i just see an illness & call it illness or disease. so yes illness & disease is real. calling it a particular name does not solve the cause. as for global warming i know the weather changes, the temperature increases & the temperature decreases. the causes of the changes could be numerous. certain areas right now are claimed to be warmer, certain areas have claimed to have experienced colder than usual. there is a lot more to this one, as i have actually followed the temperatures the weather forecasts have been providing & caught them adjusting temperatures to make it look hotter overall for a months average than it actually was, many times the temperature is one or two if not more about what i am actually recording

[TitoFan]

you see an illness & call it cancer, i just see an illness & call it illness or disease. so yes illness & disease is real. calling it a particular name does not solve the cause.

Stick to COVID... because when you venture out into other medical topics, you're automatically on thin ice.

"Calling a disease a particular name" may not "solve the cause", as you curiously state. But it does serve to identify it and differentiate it from other diseases... thus allowing for treatment options and cures. What is the problem with calling cancer by its given name? Would you prefer another name? Whatever your preference, the fact is cancer is an illness as old as humanity itself, and has been studied probably more than any other disease in the history of the world. So I would limit my utterances to COVID, if I were you. Venturing out into other diseases does nothing to help your argument. It does, however... bolster all the counterarguments you've been getting over dozens of pages.

Let's be real, shall we? You yourself have many beliefs in life that do not come from personal experiments you've performed. You've been taught many facts in the fields of science, math, history, and other topics. Presumably. You weren't there for any of the history events you accept as fact. Following your logic, anyone could challenge you on any knowledge you have if you weren't personally there, or performed the experiment yourself.

I've removed myself from the COVID argument because it's pointless. An argument cannot be had unless both parts are acting in good faith and go into the argument with an open mind. You might be able to do that in other topics... but it's been abundantly clear from the get-go that COVID isn't one of those topics. It's emotional for you... and the more arguments you hear... the more you dig in your heels.

So you will go on believing what you wish, and that's quite alright.

You know what, though? There is no burden of proof here. This isn't a trial. It's not a debate of any meaning or consequence. We don't know each other. What you believe doesn't make an iota of difference in the big picture. There are enough of "us" that vaccines are being administered... research is still being conducted... remedial medicines are still being developed. Your existence and your thought process doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the overall. So what does it matter what any of us thinks? Your insistence that we somehow have to "prove" anything to you is not only disrespectful to a whole bunch of people here... but it's also comical when you consider just about everyone here has said they're not interested in convincing you of anything. I've said as much dozens of times... yet you continue to write as though convincing you was my life's goal. In reality, I couldn't give less of a shit what you think.

I will say this, however. Your method of argument consists of repeating the same phrases over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

This, in my opinion, does little for your credibility.

[Beanz]

An essential part of knowing is knowing who to trust. Often those insisting they are independent thinkers are those most open to be misled because they have not grasped this.

[TIC]

you see an illness & call it cancer, i just see an illness & call it illness or disease. so yes illness & disease is real. calling it a particular name does not solve the cause.

Stick to COVID... because when you venture out into other medical topics, you're automatically on thin ice.

"Calling a disease a particular name" may not "solve the cause", as you curiously state. But it does serve to identify it and differentiate it from other diseases... thus allowing for treatment options and cures. What is the problem with calling cancer by its given name? Would you prefer another name? Whatever your preference, the fact is cancer is an illness as old as humanity itself, and has been studied probably more than any other disease in the history of the world. So I would limit my utterances to COVID, if I were you. Venturing out into other diseases does nothing to help your argument. It does, however... bolster all the counterarguments you've been getting over dozens of pages.

Let's be real, shall we? You yourself have many beliefs in life that do not come from personal experiments you've performed. You've been taught many facts in the fields of science, math, history, and other topics. Presumably. You weren't there for any of the history events you accept as fact. Following your logic, anyone could challenge you on any knowledge you have if you weren't personally there, or performed the experiment yourself.

I've removed myself from the COVID argument because it's pointless. An argument cannot be had unless both parts are acting in good faith and go into the argument with an open mind. You might be able to do that in other topics... but it's been abundantly clear from the get-go that COVID isn't one of those topics. It's emotional for you... and the more arguments you hear... the more you dig in your heels.

So you will go on believing what you wish, and that's quite alright.

You know what, though? There is no burden of proof here. This isn't a trial. It's not a debate of any meaning or consequence. We don't know each other. What you believe doesn't make an iota of difference in the big picture. There are enough of "us" that vaccines are being administered... research is still being conducted... remedial medicines are still being developed. Your existence and your thought process doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the overall. So what does it matter what any of us thinks? Your insistence that we somehow have to "prove" anything to you is not only disrespectful to a whole bunch of people here... but it's also comical when you consider just about everyone here has said they're not interested in convincing you of anything. I've said as much dozens of times... yet you continue to write as though convincing you was my life's goal. In reality, I couldn't give less of a shit what you think.

I will say this, however. Your method of argument consists of repeating the same phrases over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

This, in my opinion, does little for your credibility.

i don't care what a disease is called but it is an illness or disease. i am interested in the cause. i was asked a question by primo carnera about cancer. that is why i responded about diseases & illnesses. i understand the difference between believing & knowing. if i haven't verified something myself to be true then i only have faith & a belief in what i have been told. i don't know that to be true. i am acting in good faith in this discussion with you & i have an open mind. i have asked you to start the discussion from the beginning claim & how you know that to be true. you & primo carnera are the only two that admit you only trust & believe that to be true. you are free to believe what you want. you & family members being ill & having symptoms & believing a faulty test is not you proving the claim that convid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces. as i have said before, correlation does not prove causation. you can keep your belief all you want but that investigation is not good enough for me regarding the claims of covid. i don't believe the claims about covid & am asking those that claim to know it's real to provide proof of how they know this to be true. there is a burden of proof when someone is claiming to know something is real & that burden falls on those making that claim. it doesn't matter to me what you think or believe, i am only interested in what you can prove. i don't think it's disrespectful at all to ask someone to prove their claim is true. no one would need to convince me if they could prove their claim is real. you have admitted you have a belief. it is your right to hold that belief. that's where our discussion ends because you can't prove your belief to be true

[SlimTrae]

you see an illness & call it cancer, i just see an illness & call it illness or disease. so yes illness & disease is real. calling it a particular name does not solve the cause.

Stick to COVID... because when you venture out into other medical topics, you're automatically on thin ice.


I will say this, however. Your method of argument consists of repeating the same phrases over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

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Personally I think you're off by several dozens of (over and over)but whose counting?!

I have yet to figure out the phrase covid is a virus caught from outside the body,--------Tfan what does that mean to you? Is our body acting like a star with a gravitational pull causing a virus (from outside) the body to go inside? Why? Or, Is it a -liberal-minority-hobo virus looking for a free place to crash like the entitled minority viruses they know they are!?
Why would it not just stay outside the body...

and is that different from viruses caught (once inside) the body?

through the air or off surfaces?
I can't figure that one either. So diseases dont attract from the air, or off surfaces? But viruses do? That's not what Lysol claims! For years!

If funky feet can enter from outside the body through the air into the nostrils...if a stank ass fart can enter the body from the air- into the nostrils into the body...then it seems probable that viruses can enter from outside...through the air as you seem to suggest & I concur....unless they have little tiny star trek transporter rooms, then bets are all off as to exactly what is inside our bodies we dont know!


Sir I think....Here are the facts from a Saddo perspective
1. When this covid was mentioned there were only 2 perspectives.
1st- it is real
2nd it is real but overblown by the mainstream media


No one here on this board or this thread fit outside of those two for months. NONE.
1/2 year later something changed?

[TIC]

you see an illness & call it cancer, i just see an illness & call it illness or disease. so yes illness & disease is real. calling it a particular name does not solve the cause.

Stick to COVID... because when you venture out into other medical topics, you're automatically on thin ice.


I will say this, however. Your method of argument consists of repeating the same phrases over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

.

Personally I think you're off by several dozens of (over and over)but whose counting?!

I have yet to figure out the phrase covid is a virus caught from outside the body,--------Tfan what does that mean to you? Is our body acting like a star with a gravitational pull causing a virus (from outside) the body to go inside? Why? Or, Is it a -liberal-minority-hobo virus looking for a free place to crash like the entitled minority viruses they know they are!?
Why would it not just stay outside the body...

and is that different from viruses caught (once inside) the body?

through the air or off surfaces?
I can't figure that one either. So diseases dont attract from the air, or off surfaces? But viruses do? That's not what Lysol claims! For years!

If funky feet can enter from outside the body through the air into the nostrils...if a stank ass fart can enter the body from the air- into the nostrils into the body...then it seems probable that viruses can enter from outside...through the air as you seem to suggest & I concur....unless they have little tiny star trek transporter rooms, then bets are all off as to exactly what is inside our bodies we dont know!


Sir I think....Here are the facts from a Saddo perspective
1. When this covid was mentioned there were only 2 perspectives.
1st- it is real
2nd it is real but overblown by the mainstream media


No one here on this board or this thread fit outside of those two for months. NONE.
1/2 year later something changed?

the question is how do you know that covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces? strange you left out the most important part of the question. because it will show you only hold a belief. none of what you are saying is proof of how you know your belief to be true. i said before convid was categorized as a pandemic to look out for a fake virus, on this forum. December twenty sixth. two thousand nineteen

[SlimTrae]

you see an illness & call it cancer, i just see an illness & call it illness or disease. so yes illness & disease is real. calling it a particular name does not solve the cause.

Stick to COVID... because when you venture out into other medical topics, you're automatically on thin ice.


I will say this, however. Your method of argument consists of repeating the same phrases over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

.

Personally I think you're off by several dozens of (over and over)but whose counting?!

I have yet to figure out the phrase covid is a virus caught from outside the body,--------Tfan what does that mean to you? Is our body acting like a star with a gravitational pull causing a virus (from outside) the body to go inside? Why? Or, Is it a -liberal-minority-hobo virus looking for a free place to crash like the entitled minority viruses they know they are!?
Why would it not just stay outside the body...

and is that different from viruses caught (once inside) the body?

through the air or off surfaces?
I can't figure that one either. So diseases dont attract from the air, or off surfaces? But viruses do? That's not what Lysol claims! For years!

If funky feet can enter from outside the body through the air into the nostrils...if a stank ass fart can enter the body from the air- into the nostrils into the body...then it seems probable that viruses can enter from outside...through the air as you seem to suggest & I concur....unless they have little tiny star trek transporter rooms, then bets are all off as to exactly what is inside our bodies we dont know!


Sir I think....Here are the facts from a Saddo perspective
1. When this covid was mentioned there were only 2 perspectives.
1st- it is real
2nd it is real but overblown by the mainstream media


No one here on this board or this thread fit outside of those two for months. NONE.
1/2 year later something changed?

the question is how do you know that covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces? strange you left out the most important part of the question. (THAT I HAD TO IGNORE YOUR MENTIONING IT -SO I NEED YOU TO BOLD IT HIGHLIGHT IT- CHANGE THE SIZE SO I CAN SEE HOW OFTEN YOU DID MENTION IT...AND I INGORED IT....JUST LIKE I IGNORED WHEN YOU POINTED OUT HOW I REPEATEDLY STATED IT EXISTED...SO I USED MAINSTREAM NEWS NUMBERS TO VALIDATE IT......YOU KNOW THE SAME MAINSTREAM I THINK IS FAKE

Never care to discuss boxing, but always these types of posts and comments. Sad.

[Primo Carnera]

@TIC , Polite questions.
1. Is Cancer real ?
2. Is Global Warming real ?

i think i have always been polite in my responses to you directly, apologizes if i am wrong. you have admitted that you only hold a belief & i admire your honesty. my honest reply would be why the red herrings? honest question, do those questions have anything to do with proving covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces? if you want to have a separate discussions on disease & weather i am happy to do so but we distinguish between the conversations

You have always been polite in your responses to me , so no apologies needed. However, unfortunately you haven’t been very forthcoming with your “belief.” Or point of view.
Ok, so I will answer your question again and PLEASE can you then answer mine?
Why the red herrings? Not really a red herring, just curious on your thoughts .
Because your theory of what is truth and what is belief could easily relate to both these questions and basically nearly everything in the World.
You see, we ALL believe certain things we are told at some stage of our lives.
Yes , of course there are things that we KNOW are true, for example , potatoes are grown in the ground. We know that because we can do it ourselves.
But we only believe things about Cancer and Global warming for example, because of what we are told.

i don't hold a belief. the claim is that covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces. i'm not saying you have claimed this to be true but that is the claim that has been presented to me. so my question to those that support that claim is how do you know that to be true. everyone is free to believe what they want but unless you know something to be true then you only hold a belief & i am not interested in beliefs. you asking about cancer & global warming are red herrings to my question. unless they can somehow provide proof to the question i'm asking. i am happy to answer you questions but you have to understand that they are a distraction from my question. my question has always been about knowing & believing. i know people get ill & i know the weather changes. the causes can be due to many possibilities

Ok, if you are happy to answer my questions, will you answer them please?

i should have been a little more clear. you can call a person's illness whatever you like. you see an illness & call it cancer, i just see an illness & call it illness or disease. so yes illness & disease is real. calling it a particular name does not solve the cause. as for global warming i know the weather changes, the temperature increases & the temperature decreases. the causes of the changes could be numerous. certain areas right now are claimed to be warmer, certain areas have claimed to have experienced colder than usual. there is a lot more to this one, as i have actually followed the temperatures the weather forecasts have been providing & caught them adjusting temperatures to make it look hotter overall for a months average than it actually was, many times the temperature is one or two if not more about what i am actually recording

Ok, you've said everything I need to hear and know about you now. thanks for that , I'll step out of this now, I've got what i needed. thanks.