WTF is stopping Canelo from fighting Benavidez?

[TIC]

Well no one's stopping you, so carry on.

i just did. but i can't blame jermell, it's the first male undisputed vs undisputed fight of the four belt era & his biggest payday. i think timmy would have also taken the fight with canelo if it was offered to him

But we all know that would never happen. Tim was set to have his Canelo'ish type fight vs Charlo...biggest name, purse, all the titles etc. It was literally signed and dated before Charlo opted out. What is making this are the belts and the literal header (empty header if we're honest) of "undisputed vs undisputed". All a cash grab and have to wonder cash out for Charlo to go enjoy some more inactivity. And I'll go out on a limb and say regardless of outcome he will not be going back to 154. What's NOT making it happen is either Charlos or Canelos clear definitive dominance over the very top threats it their respected division. That's usually how these things work, sweep a division clean, collect all the trinkets, pound your chest and then go slay bigger game up North. Not here.

empty header? are both fighters not undisputed? cash grad? sure. can you blame jermell? he gets a big payday & a shot at winning undisputed in his second division, two weights above. it's a win win situation for jermell. i think you're right & i agree that i don't think jermell will be back at one fifty four. in a perfect world it would be nice to see fighters sweep a division clean (both these guys have all the trinkets) & move up. david b v david b was supposedly signed for october before david b started talk of jaime. jermell took the win win fight over the high risk less reward fight with timmy. canelo was attempting to rematch dmitry but dmitry wasn't happy with the terms, what is there for jermell at middle?

[Spicoli]

Well no one's stopping you, so carry on.

i just did. but i can't blame jermell, it's the first male undisputed vs undisputed fight of the four belt era & his biggest payday. i think timmy would have also taken the fight with canelo if it was offered to him

But we all know that would never happen. Tim was set to have his Canelo'ish type fight vs Charlo...biggest name, purse, all the titles etc. It was literally signed and dated before Charlo opted out. What is making this are the belts and the literal header (empty header if we're honest) of "undisputed vs undisputed". All a cash grab and have to wonder cash out for Charlo to go enjoy some more inactivity. And I'll go out on a limb and say regardless of outcome he will not be going back to 154. What's NOT making it happen is either Charlos or Canelos clear definitive dominance over the very top threats it their respected division. That's usually how these things work, sweep a division clean, collect all the trinkets, pound your chest and then go slay bigger game up North. Not here.

empty header? are both fighters not undisputed? cash grad? sure. can you blame jermell? he gets a big payday & a shot at winning undisputed in his second division, two weights above. it's a win win situation for jermell. i think you're right & i agree that i don't think jermell will be back at one fifty four. in a perfect world it would be nice to see fighters sweep a division clean (both these guys have all the trinkets) & move up. david b v david b was supposedly signed for october before david b started talk of jaime. jermell took the win win fight over the high risk less reward fight with timmy. canelo was attempting to rematch dmitry but dmitry wasn't happy with the terms, what is there for jermell at middle?

They are literally not undisputed in the eyes of many fans. They can cover themselves like cheap christmas trees in cheap trinkets all they like. One has two very live threats sitting atop his division he shows zero want or interest in. They now live in his house. The other literally opted out of a signed, made and dated mandatory defense while the promotion strung the entire fanbase along like it was being rescheduled. This is a 'work'. Obtaining the belts is the start of being undisputed, not the end all. Thats when you topple all legit comers, mandatories and defend your "undisputed". Names and shiny belts have blinded many fans as we already had super-fights right there under our noses that were denied. They've turned into some weird pseudo accountant fan base who pretend they're getting a cut ffs. It's almost embarrassing. This is gimmickry match making.

[palmerq]

I wonder if he's going to fight both the charlos,that'd be something.... Not the best look to take the champion from two weights below, it's like lomachenko v rigondeaux.

I think we'll have to wait until next September for the real undisputed fight at super middleweight and the wait will do the challenger some good this time.

[TIC]

Well no one's stopping you, so carry on.

i just did. but i can't blame jermell, it's the first male undisputed vs undisputed fight of the four belt era & his biggest payday. i think timmy would have also taken the fight with canelo if it was offered to him

But we all know that would never happen. Tim was set to have his Canelo'ish type fight vs Charlo...biggest name, purse, all the titles etc. It was literally signed and dated before Charlo opted out. What is making this are the belts and the literal header (empty header if we're honest) of "undisputed vs undisputed". All a cash grab and have to wonder cash out for Charlo to go enjoy some more inactivity. And I'll go out on a limb and say regardless of outcome he will not be going back to 154. What's NOT making it happen is either Charlos or Canelos clear definitive dominance over the very top threats it their respected division. That's usually how these things work, sweep a division clean, collect all the trinkets, pound your chest and then go slay bigger game up North. Not here.

empty header? are both fighters not undisputed? cash grad? sure. can you blame jermell? he gets a big payday & a shot at winning undisputed in his second division, two weights above. it's a win win situation for jermell. i think you're right & i agree that i don't think jermell will be back at one fifty four. in a perfect world it would be nice to see fighters sweep a division clean (both these guys have all the trinkets) & move up. david b v david b was supposedly signed for october before david b started talk of jaime. jermell took the win win fight over the high risk less reward fight with timmy. canelo was attempting to rematch dmitry but dmitry wasn't happy with the terms, what is there for jermell at middle?

They are literally not undisputed in the eyes of many fans. They can cover themselves like cheap christmas trees in cheap trinkets all they like. One has two very live threats sitting atop his division he shows zero want or interest in. They now live in his house. The other literally opted out of a signed, made and dated mandatory defense while the promotion strung the entire fanbase along like it was being rescheduled. This is a 'work'. Obtaining the belts is the start of being undisputed, not the end all. Thats when you topple all legit comers, mandatories and defend your "undisputed". Names and shiny belts have blinded many fans as we already had super-fights right there under our noses that were denied. They've turned into some weird pseudo accountant fan base who pretend they're getting a cut ffs. It's almost embarrassing. This is gimmickry match making.

oh i thought undisputed meant there were no other champion claims, there are four recognised sanctioning body championship belts, so once you collect all, just like when there were three or two you became undisputed. in your definition of undisputed there will never be an undisputed champion because there will always be other challengers & mandatories. there have been many super-fights that were denied throughout the history of the sport. i'm not sure what pseudo accountant has to do with me. a fights been made, either watch it or don't. gimmickry match making is nothing new to boxing

[Spicoli]

Well no one's stopping you, so carry on.

i just did. but i can't blame jermell, it's the first male undisputed vs undisputed fight of the four belt era & his biggest payday. i think timmy would have also taken the fight with canelo if it was offered to him

But we all know that would never happen. Tim was set to have his Canelo'ish type fight vs Charlo...biggest name, purse, all the titles etc. It was literally signed and dated before Charlo opted out. What is making this are the belts and the literal header (empty header if we're honest) of "undisputed vs undisputed". All a cash grab and have to wonder cash out for Charlo to go enjoy some more inactivity. And I'll go out on a limb and say regardless of outcome he will not be going back to 154. What's NOT making it happen is either Charlos or Canelos clear definitive dominance over the very top threats it their respected division. That's usually how these things work, sweep a division clean, collect all the trinkets, pound your chest and then go slay bigger game up North. Not here.

empty header? are both fighters not undisputed? cash grad? sure. can you blame jermell? he gets a big payday & a shot at winning undisputed in his second division, two weights above. it's a win win situation for jermell. i think you're right & i agree that i don't think jermell will be back at one fifty four. in a perfect world it would be nice to see fighters sweep a division clean (both these guys have all the trinkets) & move up. david b v david b was supposedly signed for october before david b started talk of jaime. jermell took the win win fight over the high risk less reward fight with timmy. canelo was attempting to rematch dmitry but dmitry wasn't happy with the terms, what is there for jermell at middle?

They are literally not undisputed in the eyes of many fans. They can cover themselves like cheap christmas trees in cheap trinkets all they like. One has two very live threats sitting atop his division he shows zero want or interest in. They now live in his house. The other literally opted out of a signed, made and dated mandatory defense while the promotion strung the entire fanbase along like it was being rescheduled. This is a 'work'. Obtaining the belts is the start of being undisputed, not the end all. Thats when you topple all legit comers, mandatories and defend your "undisputed". Names and shiny belts have blinded many fans as we already had super-fights right there under our noses that were denied. They've turned into some weird pseudo accountant fan base who pretend they're getting a cut ffs. It's almost embarrassing. This is gimmickry match making.

oh i thought undisputed meant there were no other champion claims, there are four recognised sanctioning body championship belts, so once you collect all, just like when there were three or two you became undisputed. in your definition of undisputed there will never be an undisputed champion because there will always be other challengers & mandatories. there have been many super-fights that were denied throughout the history of the sport. i'm not sure what pseudo accountant has to do with me. a fights been made, either watch it or don't. gimmickry match making is nothing new to boxing

So many longtime non casual fans fawning over the gimmickry so consistently and not calling it out is new though. And both Benavidez and Tszyu are literal interim champions. Maybe I'm off but sure sounds like some disputing going on to me.

I'll catch the highlights next day and see if Charlo makes the bell or what round he's stopped in.

[TIC]

Not the best look to take the champion from two weights below, it's like lomachenko v rigondeaux.

it could also be like roy jones v john ruiz, bernard hopkins v antonio tarver, henry armstrong v barney ross, adrian broner v paul malignaggi, naoya inoue v omar narvaez, ray robinson was the number welter when he defeated jake lamotta, michael spinks v larry holmes, you could include ray leonard v marvin hagler, vinny pazienza had success moving from one forty to one fifty four

[TIC]

Well no one's stopping you, so carry on.

i just did. but i can't blame jermell, it's the first male undisputed vs undisputed fight of the four belt era & his biggest payday. i think timmy would have also taken the fight with canelo if it was offered to him

But we all know that would never happen. Tim was set to have his Canelo'ish type fight vs Charlo...biggest name, purse, all the titles etc. It was literally signed and dated before Charlo opted out. What is making this are the belts and the literal header (empty header if we're honest) of "undisputed vs undisputed". All a cash grab and have to wonder cash out for Charlo to go enjoy some more inactivity. And I'll go out on a limb and say regardless of outcome he will not be going back to 154. What's NOT making it happen is either Charlos or Canelos clear definitive dominance over the very top threats it their respected division. That's usually how these things work, sweep a division clean, collect all the trinkets, pound your chest and then go slay bigger game up North. Not here.

empty header? are both fighters not undisputed? cash grad? sure. can you blame jermell? he gets a big payday & a shot at winning undisputed in his second division, two weights above. it's a win win situation for jermell. i think you're right & i agree that i don't think jermell will be back at one fifty four. in a perfect world it would be nice to see fighters sweep a division clean (both these guys have all the trinkets) & move up. david b v david b was supposedly signed for october before david b started talk of jaime. jermell took the win win fight over the high risk less reward fight with timmy. canelo was attempting to rematch dmitry but dmitry wasn't happy with the terms, what is there for jermell at middle?

They are literally not undisputed in the eyes of many fans. They can cover themselves like cheap christmas trees in cheap trinkets all they like. One has two very live threats sitting atop his division he shows zero want or interest in. They now live in his house. The other literally opted out of a signed, made and dated mandatory defense while the promotion strung the entire fanbase along like it was being rescheduled. This is a 'work'. Obtaining the belts is the start of being undisputed, not the end all. Thats when you topple all legit comers, mandatories and defend your "undisputed". Names and shiny belts have blinded many fans as we already had super-fights right there under our noses that were denied. They've turned into some weird pseudo accountant fan base who pretend they're getting a cut ffs. It's almost embarrassing. This is gimmickry match making.

oh i thought undisputed meant there were no other champion claims, there are four recognised sanctioning body championship belts, so once you collect all, just like when there were three or two you became undisputed. in your definition of undisputed there will never be an undisputed champion because there will always be other challengers & mandatories. there have been many super-fights that were denied throughout the history of the sport. i'm not sure what pseudo accountant has to do with me. a fights been made, either watch it or don't. gimmickry match making is nothing new to boxing

So many longtime non casual fans fawning over the gimmickry so consistently and not calling it out is new though. And both Benavidez and Tszyu are literal interim champions. Maybe I'm off but sure sounds like some disputing going on to me.

I'll catch the highlights next day and see if Charlo makes the bell or what round he's stopped in.

gimmickry is nothing new to boxing. haven't you & i already agreed that canelo is on a farewell type tour? it is what it is. there will always be challengers who aren't getting shots, that doesn't change the definition of undisputed. plenty of other good fighters & fights to focus on. look at the jaron ennis v roiman villa thread, should be a can't miss entertaining fight, the thread is empty, stephen fulton v naoya inoue is this month, the thread should be front page & constantly active, casuals are the problem

[Primo Carnera]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

Well I prefer Canelo fighting Benavidez. Don’t you?

that wasn't my point. jermall was being talked about as canelo's opponent for september as the first fight of his deal with pbc. i prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. if you're asking who i'd ideally prefer to see canelo fight next it would have been the rematch with dmitry at one seventy five as planned. if you're asking who i'd have liked canelo to fight next at super middle, i would prefer david m over david b. hopefully david b stops running from david m now & they can fight next, putting the winner in line for a canelo fight

“that wasn't my point. No, I didn’t say it was.
jermall was being talked about as canelo's opponent for september as the first fight of his deal with pbc. i prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. if you're asking who i'd ideally prefer to see canelo fight next . Yes that’s exactly what I’m asking.

it would have been the rematch with dmitry at one seventy five as planned. Ok, fair enough, but if he wants to fight at 175, give up the belts at 168.
if you're asking who i'd have liked canelo to fight next at super middle, i would prefer david m over david b. hopefully david b stops running from david m - Ok , so Benavidez is running from a pro with 9 fights, but Canelo isn’t running from Benavidez?
now & they can fight next, putting the winner in line for a canelo fight. Well like I said, Benavidez can fight Morello for all the belts that Canelo gives up because he’s fighting Bivol at 175. That’s Ok isn’t it?

[Primo Carnera]

This is no different to GGG v Brook. Yes we gave props to Brook for his balls, same as we probably will for Charlo. But it doesn’t make it right. I don’t know loads about Charlo, but I hope he fucking wins!
And like I keep saying , it’s down to
1. the governing bodies allowing it to happen and
2. The public for accepting it. Note I didn’t say fans, because fans are so fucking irrelevant.
“Undisputed v Undisputed “ ! Lame as fuck.
What next ? Fury v Inoue - “Undefeated v Undefeated!”

this fight is very different from ggg v kell. had ggg ever fought at welter? was kell undisputed at welter? errol brought mikey up. antiono brought bernard up. this is nothing new. the networks & promoters also have a hand in these fights. the public is not forced to watch or buy it, although i do think this fight will do well. this fight is undisputed v undisputed. you might think it's lame, doesn't make it not undisputed v undisputed though. tyson v naoya undefeated v undefeated is a false equivalence. like titofan likes to say. apples & oranges

this fight is very different from ggg v kell. had ggg ever fought at welter? was kell undisputed at welter?
The fact that Canelo fought at LMW a gazillion years ago is completely irrelevant and it is laughable that you are trying to make it relevant. If it means anything , then let’s have the fight at LMW! Or maybe a “Catchweight at MW.
brought mikey up. antiono brought bernard up. this is nothing new.it doesn’t make it right.
the networks & promoters also have a hand in these fights. the public is not forced to watch or buy it, although i do think this fight will do well. The fight probably “will do well,” because punters are basically mugs. Doesn’t mean it’s the fight that should be happening. You can come back with “Boxing is a business”, but first and foremost, Boxing is a Sport.
this fight is undisputed v undisputed. you might think it's lame, doesn't make it not undisputed v undisputed though. tyson v naoya undefeated v undefeated is a false equivalence. no it isn’t . It’s putting out a USP Marketing Slogan to sell a fight that shouldn’t be happening. Why are there weight divisions in Boxing? like titofan likes to say. apples & oranges.

[TIC]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

Well I prefer Canelo fighting Benavidez. Don’t you?

that wasn't my point. jermall was being talked about as canelo's opponent for september as the first fight of his deal with pbc. i prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. if you're asking who i'd ideally prefer to see canelo fight next it would have been the rematch with dmitry at one seventy five as planned. if you're asking who i'd have liked canelo to fight next at super middle, i would prefer david m over david b. hopefully david b stops running from david m now & they can fight next, putting the winner in line for a canelo fight

“that wasn't my point. No, I didn’t say it was.
jermall was being talked about as canelo's opponent for september as the first fight of his deal with pbc. i prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. if you're asking who i'd ideally prefer to see canelo fight next . Yes that’s exactly what I’m asking.

it would have been the rematch with dmitry at one seventy five as planned. Ok, fair enough, but if he wants to fight at 175, give up the belts at 168.
if you're asking who i'd have liked canelo to fight next at super middle, i would prefer david m over david b. hopefully david b stops running from david m - Ok , so Benavidez is running from a pro with 9 fights, but Canelo isn’t running from Benavidez?
now & they can fight next, putting the winner in line for a canelo fight. Well like I said, Benavidez can fight Morello for all the belts that Canelo gives up because he’s fighting Bivol at 175. That’s Ok isn’t it?

you didn't say that was my point but you replied to my point about jermell over jermall, talking about another topic discussion. i'm not sure canelo is ready to make a complete move to light heavyweight yet. the plan was john ryder & then the dmirty rematch at one seventy five. dmitry wasn't happy with the terms so canelo moved on. i preferred the dimitry rematch at one seventy five, canelo preferred to stay at one sixty eight to fight jermall, who apparently wasn't going to be available, so i guess jermell stepped in. david b's manager said the fight with david m was signed, canelo & david b haven't had a claim of a signed contract. david b can fight for david m's wba world super middleweight belt & the winner puts themselves in line for a canelo fight. dmitry wasn't happy with the terms for a rematch at one seventy five so canelo has moved on. you'd have to ask uncle al & team canelo why they didn't give david b the first shot at canelo in his pbc deal, i could speculate that they want to build it into a mega event for canelo's second or third fight in the deal

[TitoFan]

Well no one's stopping you, so carry on.

i just did. but i can't blame jermell, it's the first male undisputed vs undisputed fight of the four belt era & his biggest payday. i think timmy would have also taken the fight with canelo if it was offered to him

Casuals and fanboys don't give a damn that this is basically Canelo-Khan 2.0.

amir khan was knocked out at lightweight. jermell has never been knocked out & has shown a very good chin. jermell is also an undisputed champion. the fights are nothing alike

Irrevelant.

The comparison is a fighter jumping TWO weight divisions TWICE to fight Canelo. Khan did it... Charlo's gonna do it. It's either that, or dragging a cruiserweight to shallow waters and drown him at 20 pounds under the weight. I honestly can't wait till that coddled clown retires.

[Primo Carnera]

i prefer canelo fighting jermell rather than jermall

Well I prefer Canelo fighting Benavidez. Don’t you?

that wasn't my point. jermall was being talked about as canelo's opponent for september as the first fight of his deal with pbc. i prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. if you're asking who i'd ideally prefer to see canelo fight next it would have been the rematch with dmitry at one seventy five as planned. if you're asking who i'd have liked canelo to fight next at super middle, i would prefer david m over david b. hopefully david b stops running from david m now & they can fight next, putting the winner in line for a canelo fight

“that wasn't my point. No, I didn’t say it was.
jermall was being talked about as canelo's opponent for september as the first fight of his deal with pbc. i prefer canelo fighting jermell over jermall. if you're asking who i'd ideally prefer to see canelo fight next . Yes that’s exactly what I’m asking.

it would have been the rematch with dmitry at one seventy five as planned. Ok, fair enough, but if he wants to fight at 175, give up the belts at 168.
if you're asking who i'd have liked canelo to fight next at super middle, i would prefer david m over david b. hopefully david b stops running from david m - Ok , so Benavidez is running from a pro with 9 fights, but Canelo isn’t running from Benavidez?
now & they can fight next, putting the winner in line for a canelo fight. Well like I said, Benavidez can fight Morello for all the belts that Canelo gives up because he’s fighting Bivol at 175. That’s Ok isn’t it?

you didn't say that was my point but you replied to my point about jermell over jermall, talking about another topic discussion. i'm not sure canelo is ready to make a complete move to light heavyweight yet. the plan was john ryder & then the dmirty rematch at one seventy five. dmitry wasn't happy with the terms so canelo moved on. i preferred the dimitry rematch at one seventy five, canelo preferred to stay at one sixty eight to fight jermall, who apparently wasn't going to be available, so i guess jermell stepped in. david b's manager said the fight with david m was signed, canelo & david b haven't had a claim of a signed contract. david b can fight for david m's wba world super middleweight belt & the winner puts themselves in line for a canelo fight. dmitry wasn't happy with the terms for a rematch at one seventy five so canelo has moved on. you'd have to ask uncle al & team canelo why they didn't give david b the first shot at canelo in his pbc deal, i could speculate that they want to build it into a mega event for canelo's second or third fight in the deal

“Not ready to make a complete move to LHW!” So when will he “be ready”? Don’t worry, I’ll answer, NEVER.
Be honest ffs. The cunt is 5 foot 8” tops. He’s not a LHW, He’s not really a SMW tbf, but he gets away with it because he eats a lot of Mexican Beef.
He dipped his toes in the LHW division picking off a winnable title (he’d already done that with Rocky Fielding in the SMW Division) then his team misjudged and underestimated Bivol and paid the price with a reality check.
Fuck me, talk about the tail wagging the dog. We gotta wait for Canelo to “be ready” , and in the meantime let him pick off a lightweight or make a CW boil down.
Bunch of Clowns.

[TitoFan]

Ok. I get it.

It's not only the collecting of trinkets by playing hopscotch around the weight divisions.

It's also "undisputed vs undisputed."

Gotcha.




I've got the next Canelo match.

"Canelo vs Haney"




Hey. Other than Ginger and Jermell, Devin is the only other undisputed champion.

Let's make it happen.

But I'm not without a plan. Hear me out.



Devin's at lightweight, but we all know he's kinda big for a lightweight. In fact, Devin stands at 5' 8" (same as Ginger)... and has a 71" reach (half inch longer than Ginger's).

So there you go. We have the makings of another "legacy-making", "Hollywood-script-making", "matinee-idol-creating", "fanboy-pleasing"... but pretty much MEANINGLESS CIRCUS FIGHT. (Oops, sorry... I let that last one slip out).



Let's call it: Canelo Hunts Down All the Undisputed Champs

All we gotta do is gorge Haney up to a catchweight of 164 pounds. Ginger will make the supreme sacrifice of draining himself those 4 pounds under the supermiddle limit.

Then we do a masterful video of Devin's knockout victories to show how dangerous an opponent he is to Canelo.

Then we market the SHIT out of the fight, calling it The Fight of the Millennium.



Here you go. I've started it. Someone else needs to add all the bells and whistles.

[TitoFan]

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/06...-or-benavidez/

"Joe Smith Jr Says Canelo Cherry-Picking Fights, Says He Should Face Bivol Or Benavidez"


Joe joins the parade of fellow boxers dumping on this chump for cherry-picking and ducking.

Loving it.

[TIC]

Well no one's stopping you, so carry on.

i just did. but i can't blame jermell, it's the first male undisputed vs undisputed fight of the four belt era & his biggest payday. i think timmy would have also taken the fight with canelo if it was offered to him

Casuals and fanboys don't give a damn that this is basically Canelo-Khan 2.0.

amir khan was knocked out at lightweight. jermell has never been knocked out & has shown a very good chin. jermell is also an undisputed champion. the fights are nothing alike

Irrevelant.

The comparison is a fighter jumping TWO weight divisions TWICE to fight Canelo. Khan did it... Charlo's gonna do it.

it's not irrelevant. you are comparing a fighter that was knocked out at lightweight, to jermell who has never fought below welter. jermell is also an undisputed champion & i don't recall ever seeing him close to being knocked down. this is nothing like canelo v khan