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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    When Reagan started to build up military spending the USSR carried on its merry way. By the time Gorbachov came to power the US was running huge deficits partly as a result of military spending and was actually in a worse position than it had been in 1980. Gorbachov could easily have kept on with the cold war but was the head of a new breed of Soviet leaders who wanted to spend their economic resources contructively. What really got the Soviets to change their mind was the Saudis flooding the world market with oil, bankrupting the Soviets. Capitalism won the cold war, not Reagan. Here's the very capitalist AEI to explain it :

    The timeline of the collapse of the Soviet Union can be traced to September 13, 1985. On this date, Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani, the minister of oil of Saudi Arabia, declared that the monarchy had decided to alter its oil policy radically. The Saudis stopped protecting oil prices, and Saudi Arabia quickly regained its share in the world market. During the next six months, oil production in Saudi Arabia increased fourfold, while oil prices collapsed by approximately the same amount in real terms.

    As a result, the Soviet Union lost approximately $20 billion per year, money without which the country simply could not survive.

    [The Soviet leadership was then faced with three options: start charging hard currency for oil exports, reduce food imports, or cut back military spending. None of them were seriously considered.]

    Unable to realize any of the above solutions, the Soviet leadership...started to borrow money from abroad while its international credit rating was still strong. It borrowed heavily from 1985 to 1988, but in 1989 the Soviet economy stalled completely....The Soviet Union then received a final warning from the Deutsche Bank and from its international partners that the funds would never come from commercial sources. Instead, if the Soviet Union urgently needed the money, it would have to start negotiations directly with Western governments about so-called politically motivated credits.

    ....When the situation in the Soviet Union is examined from financial and hard currency perspectives, Gorbachev's policies at the time are much easier to comprehend (see figure 6). Government-to-government loans were bound to come with a number of rigid conditions. For instance, if the Soviet military crushed Solidarity Party demonstrations in Warsaw, the Soviet Union would not have received the desperately needed $100 billion from the West.

    The only option left for the Soviet elites was to begin immediate negotiations about the conditions of surrender. Gorbachev did not have to inform President George H. W. Bush at the Malta Summit in 1989 that the threat of force to support the communist regimes in Eastern Europe would not be employed. This was already evident at the time. Six weeks after the talks, no communist regime in Eastern Europe remained.


    ...the histories as told by Krikland...."America has never done any good for anybody.....oh but I would love to go back there and spread my ideas of a European style socialism and maybe then we could live in peace"

    The Ukraine supplied the majority of the gain to the USSR and socialism/communism failed because it's theoretically flawed to begin with. If you get the people dependent on government then the government has control of the people and not the other way around and the Kremlin controlled the masses by man made famines and bread lines and a basic control of the lives of the people....the people got tired of the games and they became an unproductive nation while they were still trying to keep up with the US and they went belly up....Gorbi wasn't a great democratic leader he was forced to make the decisions he made, so that he didn't #1 Start WW3 and #2 Get sacked by the masses.

    Russia has plenty of resources as well it's one of the reasons Japan attacked Manchuria in WWII. As Japan is a nation which lacks natural resources and Manchuria produces a lot of steel

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    ...the histories as told by Krikland...."America has never done any good for anybody.....oh but I would love to go back there and spread my ideas of a European style socialism and maybe then we could live in peace"

    The Ukraine supplied the majority of the gain to the USSR and socialism/communism failed because it's theoretically flawed to begin with. If you get the people dependent on government then the government has control of the people and not the other way around and the Kremlin controlled the masses by man made famines and bread lines and a basic control of the lives of the people....the people got tired of the games and they became an unproductive nation while they were still trying to keep up with the US and they went belly up....Gorbi wasn't a great democratic leader he was forced to make the decisions he made, so that he didn't #1 Start WW3 and #2 Get sacked by the masses.

    Russia has plenty of resources as well it's one of the reasons Japan attacked Manchuria in WWII. As Japan is a nation which lacks natural resources and Manchuria produces a lot of steel
    No, history told by Yeltsin's prime minister and internationally respected Russian economist Yegor Gaidar.

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    No, history told by Yeltsin's prime minister and internationally respected Russian economist Yegor Gaidar.
    The free market whipped their asses is what happened and it's bound to change China as well

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    The free market whipped their asses is what happened and it's bound to change China as well
    So you finally concede and agree with me. Well done.

    China is already free market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    The free market whipped their asses is what happened and it's bound to change China as well
    There ya go Lyle
    It wasnt the great and maighty RAY-GUN
    It was the great and mighty EL-TON

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