I rarely say this

[ICB]

.....oh you guys are such asses!


So no other division has had a horrible style match up....oh I am soooo sorry any fight Derrick Gainer had was shite.


Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis and MUHAMMED ALI did the same shit vs various opponents.


Wladimir didn't go for the KO but he dominated the fight, he fought smart, and showed that if he had to fight a Corrie Sanders now he'd beat him

Oh come off it Lyle do not even compare Wladimir to a legend like Larry Holmes. Holmes was in some of the most exciting Heavyweight fights ever. Why don't you go watch his fights against Ken Norton or Mike Weaver they were some of the most action packed Heavyweight fights you will ever see. Plus Holmes was also in a lot of other good fights aka Cooney, Witherspoon, Shavers 1 and 2. And when Holmes was using mostly his jab he was snapping his opponent's head back with it and he would take risks unlike Wlad. I can understand your a big fan of Wladimir but come on Lyle thats ridiculous comparing Wladimir's latest fights to Holmes fights.

[El Kabong]

Oh come off it Lyle do not even compare Wladimir to a legend like Larry Holmes. Holmes was in some of the most exciting Heavyweight fights ever. Why don't you go watch his fights against Ken Norton or Mike Weaver they were some of the most action packed Heavyweight fights you will ever see. Plus Holmes was also in a lot of other good fights aka Cooney, Witherspoon, Shavers 1 and 2. And when Holmes was using mostly his jab he was snapping his opponent's head back with it and he would take risks unlike Wlad. I can understand your a big fan of Wladimir but come on Lyle thats ridiculous comparing Wladimir's latest fights to Holmes fights.

So you are saying Wladimir has never been in exciting fights?

And you are saying Wladimir never takes risks?

Wladimir was close to being forced to retire from boxing when he chose to fight Sam Peter and he whipped the absolute crap out of Sam...Sam hasn't been right since then.

Wladimir has had exciting fights but sometimes he beats his opponents into submission before he KO's them....THEY don't throw punches back at him it's not his fault....I mean I guess it is since he punches them into a shell and then KO's them.

Wladimir's last fight before he fought Sultan was a 2 round KO....but noooooo we'll just forget ALL about that.....bastards

[ICB]

So you are saying Wladimir has never been in exciting fights?

And you are saying Wladimir never takes risks?

Wladimir was close to being forced to retire from boxing when he chose to fight Sam Peter and he whipped the absolute crap out of Sam...Sam hasn't been right since then.

Wladimir has had exciting fights but sometimes he beats his opponents into submission before he KO's them....THEY don't throw punches back at him it's not his fault....I mean I guess it is since he punches them into a shell and then KO's them.

Wladimir's last fight before he fought Sultan was a 2 round KO....but noooooo we'll just forget ALL about that.....bastards

I never said he wasn't in exciting fights or he doesn't take risks but your comparison about Wlad's lastest fighs and comparing that to Holmes fights is way off the mark, i feel since Wlad's KO losses he has lost a lot of confidence. Like someone said in another thread he seems to actually be scared to get hit. And as for your last comment lets just remember Lyle who Wlad was actually fighting aka Ray Austin, and 95 percent of the boxing public expected Wlad to finish him inside of 4 rounds, your a fan of Wlad and i respect your opinion but i just think your way off the mark comparing Wlad's last gun shy fight to Holmes fights, when infact Holmes was never ever gun shy in any of his championship fights, he was always snapping his opponent's head back with his piston like left jab, and he was always looking to stop his opponent with the uppercut or straight right hand. Wlad needs to try and look impressive and not just be satisfied with winning jabfest/clinchfest fight. He could of took Sultan out at anytime with his right hand but yet he wouldn't take that risk and why is that exactly ?? i think its something to do with confidence problems.

[El Kabong]

I never said he wasn't in exciting fights or he doesn't take risks but your comparison about Wlad's lastest fighs and comparing that to Holmes fights is way off the mark, i feel since Wlad's KO losses he has lost a lot of confidence. Like someone said in another thread he seems to actually be scared to get hit. And as for your last comment lets just remember Lyle who Wlad was actually fighting aka Ray Austin, and 95 percent of the boxing public expected Wlad to finish him inside of 4 rounds, your a fan of Wlad and i respect your opinion but i just think your way off the mark comparing Wlad's last gun shy fight to Holmes fights, when infact Holmes was never ever gun shy in any of his championship fights, he was always snapping his opponent's head back with his piston like left jab, and he was always looking to stop his opponent with the uppercut or straight right hand. Wlad needs to try and look impressive and not just be satisfied with winning jabfest/clinchfest fight. He could of took Sultan out at anytime with his right hand but yet he wouldn't take that risk and why is that exactly ?? i think its something to do with confidence problems.

Wladimir wasn't gun shy he just didn't play into what Sultan wanted him to do. Sultan wanted Wlad to throw more right hands opening him up to counters. It was smart to fight the way Wladimir did....he could have tried to land a left hook now and then but Sultan was leaning back and loading up on the left hand.

No it wasn't an exciting performance but Wladimir won...he'll be exciting in his next fight especially if it is vs an orthodox fighter like Povetkin.

[Lords Gym]

Wladimir wasn't gun shy he just didn't play into what Sultan wanted him to do. Sultan wanted Wlad to throw more right hands opening him up to counters..

Sultan was extremely pleased that Wlad didn’t throw the right hands. Trust me. Hell its the only time Sultan was getting his ass kicked ( the 4 right hands total at the end almost did the trick

Sultan was moving the wrong direction from the gate he was staying at the wrong distance. a dream come true for the tall, naturally gifted Ukrainian. Wlad couldn’t have asked for a better situation to materialize.

Hell even as a fan of this man, you can't deny disappointment in the effort?


for once the spotlight was on the HW division and it did nothing positive. A (World Champion ) has a certain responsibility to show some type of desire to at least try and close the distance when the opportunities are right there for the taking,, they should have been seized no excuses . ..

for both man really ! neither had the desire , shameful performance for what was at stake IMO.. much love

[El Kabong]

Well LG we can debate strategy all day long but when it comes down to it we do agree on the fact it was a disappointing effort.


Nuclear Bull, Vitali-Lennox was the last great heavyweight fight and that didn't garner as much attention as it deserved and was never capitalized upon the way Vitali could have due to injuries and the fact there was no rematch.

All heavyweight boxing needs is a signature win in an exciting fight Wladimir could do it vs Sam Peter, Nikolay Valuev, or hopefully someone else who is dangerous and deserves a shot

[JT Rock]

Sultan was extremely pleased that Wlad didn’t throw the right hands. Trust me. Hell its the only time Sultan was getting his ass kicked ( the 4 right hands total at the end almost did the trick

Sultan was moving the wrong direction from the gate he was staying at the wrong distance. a dream come true for the tall, naturally gifted Ukrainian. Wlad couldn’t have asked for a better situation to materialize.

Hell even as a fan of this man, you can't deny disappointment in the effort?


for once the spotlight was on the HW division and it did nothing positive. A (World Champion ) has a certain responsibility to show some type of desire to at least try and close the distance when the opportunities are right there for the taking,, they should have been seized no excuses . ..

for both man really ! neither had the desire , shameful performance for what was at stake IMO.. much love

Exactly!!!! Wlad has an oppurtunity to forge his legacy as a powerhouse in a lackluster division, but he is content to do enough to get by only. He has every advantage over any other heavyweight size, strength, speed, technique etc.. except for heart and courage which a fighter with less talent will beat him because they possess the latter

[El Kabong]

You cannot doubt Wladimir's heart...I explained before and I'm not going to do it again.

Sultan Ibragimov has heart and he's a smart fighter which is why he lasted the distance. He had more power than Chris Byrd and did deserve some respect...not THAT much but some.

Sure Brewster and Purrity took advantage of Wlad's stamina issues, sure it took heart to take that punishment HOWEVER if those guys couldn't physically take the punishment then they wouldn't have been around later to win the fight.....also jabbing those two guys more would have lead to wins over both of them.

Corrie Sanders has little dedication to the sport and it's hard to have heart when you're not fully dedicated. He beat Wladimir because he had a Kamikazi style approach to fighting Wlad.....not because of heart.


Heart is not lacking in either of the Klitschko's and to say it is, well it's simply a bogus statement.