I rarely say this

[ICB]

.....oh you guys are such asses!


So no other division has had a horrible style match up....oh I am soooo sorry any fight Derrick Gainer had was shite.


Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis and MUHAMMED ALI did the same shit vs various opponents.


Wladimir didn't go for the KO but he dominated the fight, he fought smart, and showed that if he had to fight a Corrie Sanders now he'd beat him

Oh come off it Lyle do not even compare Wladimir to a legend like Larry Holmes. Holmes was in some of the most exciting Heavyweight fights ever. Why don't you go watch his fights against Ken Norton or Mike Weaver they were some of the most action packed Heavyweight fights you will ever see. Plus Holmes was also in a lot of other good fights aka Cooney, Witherspoon, Shavers 1 and 2. And when Holmes was using mostly his jab he was snapping his opponent's head back with it and he would take risks unlike Wlad. I can understand your a big fan of Wladimir but come on Lyle thats ridiculous comparing Wladimir's latest fights to Holmes fights.

[ICB]

Wlad had a bad night, happens to everyone

I noticed in his last few fight he stopped using the right hand , just hiding behind a jab , this is a bad habit he wants to break, once he is in tough he will feel like fish out of water. The right hand won’t feel natural to throw when forced into battle and thus his timing will be off from this
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The opportunities to toss the right hand were there all night long. he could have and should have closed the show impressive, with his obvious assets and talent.

Gun shyness is a sure way to kissing the canvas. good thing for Wlad this Sultan fellow stayed in Wlad's range by design.. that still baffles me??

typical mayweather strategy and mentality . Funny everyone thinks they can be Floyd Mayweather. the thing is, it takes tremendous natural talent, to take a shit boring style and make it work like Floyd can .. Fact is most can't .. this is an example of that. YUCK ,,

Sorry to say this LG but your way off the mark, most of Mayweather's fights have been exciting except a few of his latest fights, why don't you check out.

Floyd Mayweather vs Jesus Chavez
Floyd Mayweather vs Phillip Ndou
Floyd Mayweather vs DeMarcus Corley
Floyd Mayweather vs Arturo Gatti
Floyd Mayweather vs Diego Corrales
Floyd Mayweather vs Genaro Hernandez
Floyd Mayweather vs Jose Luis Castillo 1
Floyd Mayweather vs Emanuel Burton
Floyd Mayweather vs Angel Manfredy

[Lords Gym]

Sorry to say this LG but your way off the mark, most of Mayweather's fights have been exciting except a few of his latest fights, why don't you check out.

Floyd Mayweather vs Jesus Chavez
Floyd Mayweather vs Phillip Ndou
Floyd Mayweather vs DeMarcus Corley
Floyd Mayweather vs Arturo Gatti
Floyd Mayweather vs Diego Corrales
Floyd Mayweather vs Genaro Hernandez
Floyd Mayweather vs Jose Luis Castillo 1
Floyd Mayweather vs Emanuel Burton
Floyd Mayweather vs Angel Manfredy

I feel what your saying. ICB At 135 Mayweather mixed it up a bit , he had his moments of excitement .. However in recent years .. Well they been boring mate. A great talent Mayweather make no mistake. But to classify him as a thrilling style.. Well ?? No. the opponent might make it a thrilling go , but its usually not Mayweathers gear that’s set for forward. He has the skill set needed to be thrilling could have easily made the fight vs. Baldimer and some others .
Choosing safety first is not a bad strategy or watch in and of itself, but when an opportunity arise to give the fans the money worth, that opportunity should always be seized. that’s what sets say Pete Whitaker and Sugar Ray Leonard apart from Floyd.. They would try and seize every opportunity available.
Please don’t take offense to my thoughts. Just my personal opinion.

a marvel of talent Floyd Mayweather no mistake.

[El Kabong]

Oh come off it Lyle do not even compare Wladimir to a legend like Larry Holmes. Holmes was in some of the most exciting Heavyweight fights ever. Why don't you go watch his fights against Ken Norton or Mike Weaver they were some of the most action packed Heavyweight fights you will ever see. Plus Holmes was also in a lot of other good fights aka Cooney, Witherspoon, Shavers 1 and 2. And when Holmes was using mostly his jab he was snapping his opponent's head back with it and he would take risks unlike Wlad. I can understand your a big fan of Wladimir but come on Lyle thats ridiculous comparing Wladimir's latest fights to Holmes fights.

So you are saying Wladimir has never been in exciting fights?

And you are saying Wladimir never takes risks?

Wladimir was close to being forced to retire from boxing when he chose to fight Sam Peter and he whipped the absolute crap out of Sam...Sam hasn't been right since then.

Wladimir has had exciting fights but sometimes he beats his opponents into submission before he KO's them....THEY don't throw punches back at him it's not his fault....I mean I guess it is since he punches them into a shell and then KO's them.

Wladimir's last fight before he fought Sultan was a 2 round KO....but noooooo we'll just forget ALL about that.....bastards

[leftylee]

Sorry to say this LG but your way off the mark, most of Mayweather's fights have been exciting except a few of his latest fights, why don't you check out the followng and you wanna check out Mayweather v Hatton where he elbowed all night and got away with dirty cheating tactics to win .

Floyd Mayweather vs Jesus Chavez
Floyd Mayweather vs Phillip Ndou
Floyd Mayweather vs DeMarcus Corley
Floyd Mayweather vs Arturo Gatti
Floyd Mayweather vs Diego Corrales
Floyd Mayweather vs Genaro Hernandez
Floyd Mayweather vs Jose Luis Castillo 1
Floyd Mayweather vs Emanuel Burton
Floyd Mayweather vs Angel Manfredy

Fixed it for ya mate

[Mar]

I'm on the middle of the fence on this one. Was the fight boring "Yes", did the crowd and fans especially those that bought tic's get ripped probably and all the other complaints about the fight are justified, but who is really to blame. Sulton basically had beaten two other big guys in the past the same way he tried to win on sat..by jabbing his way inside and making the fight there like most would say he is supposed to but klitschko watched him in the past knew that slapped away his jab and basically did the old 6th grader vs 3rd grader hold the head and let him swing move for the rest of the night. Could he have landed and thrown the right more and got the KO probably but klitch with his questionable chin and so much on the line chose to not take chances and let sulton try to come up with a plan B to beat him. Sulton couldn't and that was the fight. I put a lot of blame on klitcho for his part in this sleeper but i put just as much on sulton. He had only one game plan, no advice given to him in the corner, and wasn't ready to risk getting hit to try someting different.

[El Kabong]

Mar, that was a PERFECT assesment of the fight.

[Mar]

Thanks bro...i just feel it's better to have everyone bitch about how you won than talk shit about how you loss. Of course we all want to see back and forth slug action with someone getting knocked out of the ring but i was just as interested in seeing how tactfully sulton was gonna overcome the simple homework klitchko did in seeing that without that jab sulton had no other idea of what to do. But he never figured it out and in my eyes in large part to his corner just watering him up slappin some vasoline on him and sending him out every round like everything was going ok. It kinda reminds me of some floyd fights considered boring.....if something is working and you can easily win the fight save the wear and tear mentally and on your body, when you are on top there definatly gonna be some more hard battles down the road (and hate it or not klitchko is on top of that division...well right now anyway) so if your opponet is able to give you a sparring session take the sparring session. I know some may not agree but i still have to see it from both points of view.

[ICB]

So you are saying Wladimir has never been in exciting fights?

And you are saying Wladimir never takes risks?

Wladimir was close to being forced to retire from boxing when he chose to fight Sam Peter and he whipped the absolute crap out of Sam...Sam hasn't been right since then.

Wladimir has had exciting fights but sometimes he beats his opponents into submission before he KO's them....THEY don't throw punches back at him it's not his fault....I mean I guess it is since he punches them into a shell and then KO's them.

Wladimir's last fight before he fought Sultan was a 2 round KO....but noooooo we'll just forget ALL about that.....bastards

I never said he wasn't in exciting fights or he doesn't take risks but your comparison about Wlad's lastest fighs and comparing that to Holmes fights is way off the mark, i feel since Wlad's KO losses he has lost a lot of confidence. Like someone said in another thread he seems to actually be scared to get hit. And as for your last comment lets just remember Lyle who Wlad was actually fighting aka Ray Austin, and 95 percent of the boxing public expected Wlad to finish him inside of 4 rounds, your a fan of Wlad and i respect your opinion but i just think your way off the mark comparing Wlad's last gun shy fight to Holmes fights, when infact Holmes was never ever gun shy in any of his championship fights, he was always snapping his opponent's head back with his piston like left jab, and he was always looking to stop his opponent with the uppercut or straight right hand. Wlad needs to try and look impressive and not just be satisfied with winning jabfest/clinchfest fight. He could of took Sultan out at anytime with his right hand but yet he wouldn't take that risk and why is that exactly ?? i think its something to do with confidence problems.

[ICB]

Thanks bro...i just feel it's better to have everyone bitch about how you won than talk shit about how you loss. Of course we all want to see back and forth slug action with someone getting knocked out of the ring but i was just as interested in seeing how tactfully sulton was gonna overcome the simple homework klitchko did in seeing that without that jab sulton had no other idea of what to do. But he never figured it out and in my eyes in large part to his corner just watering him up slappin some vasoline on him and sending him out every round like everything was going ok. It kinda reminds me of some floyd fights considered boring.....if something is working and you can easily win the fight save the wear and tear mentally and on your body, when you are on top there definatly gonna be some more hard battles down the road (and hate it or not klitchko is on top of that division...well right now anyway) so if your opponet is able to give you a sparring session take the sparring session. I know some may not agree but i still have to see it from both points of view.

I don't expect to see a toe to toe war in every fight and i wasn't expecting that in the Wlad fight either, but i was hoping for Wlad to at least try and take his man out, he has been far too gun shy lately. I appreciate the sweet science but too me all it looked like was a jabfest/clinchfest with a fighter aka Wlad looking scared to get hit. And for the best Heavyweight in the world at the moment that is very disappointing and a sorry to sight to see. It wasn't even good enough to be classed as a sparring session in fact i have had tougher sparring sessions than Wlad did last night. I respect Wlad but come on of course he is going to get a lot of criticism and for good reason as well. He could of took Sultan out at anytime with the right hand so why did he not do it ?? and then at least that way he can look impressive and give the fans there money worth. And for a Heavyweight unfication fight it was a shambles and all its done is bring the Heavyweight division even lower than it was.

[leftylee]

I don't expect to see a toe to toe war in every fight and i wasn't expecting that in the Wlad fight either, but i was hoping for Wlad to at least try and take his man out, he has been far too gun shy lately. I appreciate the sweet science but too me all it looked like was a jabfest/clinchfest with a fighter aka Wlad looking scared to get hit. And for the best Heavyweight in the world at the moment that is very disappointing and a sorry to sight to see. It wasn't even good enough to be classed as a sparring session in fact i have had tougher sparring sessions than Wlad did last night. I respect Wlad but come on of course he is going to get a lot of criticism and for good reason as well. He could of took Sultan out at anytime with the right hand so why did he not do it ?? and then at least that way he can look impressive and give the fans there money worth. And for a Heavyweight unfication fight it was a shambles and all its done is bring the Heavyweight division even lower than it was.

Thats why I'm pissed off with Wlad. Every time he connected which was very rarely with the right Sultan was shaken and Wlad could have easily gotten him out of there but was just too cautious which is very dissapointing.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I thought it was boring as shit but... I thought Wlad did a good job not allowing him in... I didn't like that slapping bull cuz I thought it'd wear out his jab but it didn't... I thought that jabbing would have been a better course to take then slapping away Sultan's hand but, hey... It worked.

Overall Wlad pitched a virtual shutout... Can't really hate on a guy for doing that...

I mean really.... C'mon. why throw the right and put yourself in danger when you can bust a guy up from range.

Maybe he was scared to throw it but hell, he boxed the socks off Ibrag.

[leftylee]

I thought it was boring as shit but... I thought Wlad did a good job not allowing him in... I didn't like that slapping bull cuz I thought it'd wear out his jab but it didn't... I thought that jabbing would have been a better course to take then slapping away Sultan's hand but, hey... It worked.

Overall Wlad pitched a virtual shutout... Can't really hate on a guy for doing that...

I mean really.... C'mon. why throw the right and put yourself in danger when you can bust a guy up from range.

Maybe he was scared to throw it but hell, he boxed the socks off Ibrag.

Because he would have won me 12 points on the prediction comp if he used the right hand

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Because he would have won me 12 points on the prediction comp if he used the right hand

Lol, he could have had him out of there... I was disapointed but I kindof expected a dull fight anyway.

I don't expect much from todays "top level" heavies

[El Kabong]

I never said he wasn't in exciting fights or he doesn't take risks but your comparison about Wlad's lastest fighs and comparing that to Holmes fights is way off the mark, i feel since Wlad's KO losses he has lost a lot of confidence. Like someone said in another thread he seems to actually be scared to get hit. And as for your last comment lets just remember Lyle who Wlad was actually fighting aka Ray Austin, and 95 percent of the boxing public expected Wlad to finish him inside of 4 rounds, your a fan of Wlad and i respect your opinion but i just think your way off the mark comparing Wlad's last gun shy fight to Holmes fights, when infact Holmes was never ever gun shy in any of his championship fights, he was always snapping his opponent's head back with his piston like left jab, and he was always looking to stop his opponent with the uppercut or straight right hand. Wlad needs to try and look impressive and not just be satisfied with winning jabfest/clinchfest fight. He could of took Sultan out at anytime with his right hand but yet he wouldn't take that risk and why is that exactly ?? i think its something to do with confidence problems.

Wladimir wasn't gun shy he just didn't play into what Sultan wanted him to do. Sultan wanted Wlad to throw more right hands opening him up to counters. It was smart to fight the way Wladimir did....he could have tried to land a left hook now and then but Sultan was leaning back and loading up on the left hand.

No it wasn't an exciting performance but Wladimir won...he'll be exciting in his next fight especially if it is vs an orthodox fighter like Povetkin.