WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!

[Bx730NY]

I think beating De La Hoya at 154 is a bigger win than Pacquaio beating Marquez by controversial decision, especially when you factor in the amount of damage Pacquaio absorbed.

And hatton was the undisiputed, undefeated junior welterweight champ and Floyd simply annihilated him.

Pacquiao won by the skin of his teeth, at least three quarters of people here think he lost. There were several times he looked out on his feet.

there's no comparison,Floyd isa different league altogether.

that and the fact floyd has been at that weight and won a belt there.

pac vs floyd at that weight? floyd would KO him no question.

Thanks for putting that moron in his place guys. Most biased poster on here calls us all bias!

Biased? Moron? Man you guys know less about boxing than I originally thought.

Well everyone knows how much the truth hurts pretty badly so I guess I'll try to empathize your pain.

BTW, none of you guys have enough boxing knowledge to ever put me in my place and that becomes more evident with every passing post.

Think about it, on one hand you guys are trying to compare floyds resume to Pacs and hoping they will be matched against each other, while on the other hand, you have a REAL boxing fan with ACTUAL knowledge hoping to see floyd fight the best challenge out there in Cotto.

You guys have rolled snake eyes with every excuse regarding floyd not fighting Cotto.

Who's left for Cotto to beat?

He beat Quintana who beat Williams who beat Margarito who beat Cintron. You throw Shane and Zab into that mix and you have yourself the real undisputed WW champion.

[ICB]

that and the fact floyd has been at that weight and won a belt there.

pac vs floyd at that weight? floyd would KO him no question.

Thanks for putting that moron in his place guys. Most biased poster on here calls us all bias!

Biased? Moron? Man you guys know less about boxing than I originally thought.

Well everyone knows how much the truth hurts pretty badly so I guess I'll try to empathize your pain.

BTW, none of you guys have enough boxing knowledge to ever put me in my place and that becomes more evident with every passing post.

Think about it, on one hand you guys are trying to compare floyds resume to Pacs and hoping they will be matched against each other, while on the other hand, you have a REAL boxing fan with ACTUAL knowledge hoping to see floyd fight the best challenge out there in Cotto.

You guys have rolled snake eyes with every excuse regarding floyd not fighting Cotto.

Who's left for Cotto to beat?

He beat Quintana who beat Williams who beat Margarito who beat Cintron. You throw Shane and Zab into that mix and you have yourself the real undisputed WW champion.

Well its pretty simple answer to your question P4P is not only about opposition, its about skills as well and lets be honest here. P4P Mayweather is much better than Pacquiao in every department except for power. Plus Mayweather has had more quality wins that Pacquiao has.

Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x2
ODLH
Angel Manfredy
Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton
Zab Judah

Manny Pacquiao has.

Erik Morales x2
MAB x2
JMM
Oscar Larios
Jorge Solis

Now those 3 names on Pacquiao's record are very impressive, but we are talking about a whole career here. And its pretty easy to see Mayweather has beaten more quality opposition than Pacquiao has. He also has more achievements than Pacquiao has winning 5 world titles in 5 different weight classes. Plus i don't see why Pacquiao should move to number 1 after getting a very controversial decision against Marquez in which more people think Marquez won than the other way around. Where as Mayweather dominated a P4P fighter in his last fight against Ricky Hatton and KO'd him. I think your just looking at those 3 names on Pacquiao's record and basing it on that, and your not looking at Mayweather's or Pacquiao's whole careers. IMO its not a hard question to answer Mayweather is rated higher than Pacquiao P4P because he has more quality wins than Pacquiao, Mayweather also P4P is a better fighter than Pacquiao quite easily IMO, Mayweather also has more achievements.

[Bx730NY]

Thanks for putting that moron in his place guys. Most biased poster on here calls us all bias!

Biased? Moron? Man you guys know less about boxing than I originally thought.

Well everyone knows how much the truth hurts pretty badly so I guess I'll try to empathize your pain.

BTW, none of you guys have enough boxing knowledge to ever put me in my place and that becomes more evident with every passing post.

Think about it, on one hand you guys are trying to compare floyds resume to Pacs and hoping they will be matched against each other, while on the other hand, you have a REAL boxing fan with ACTUAL knowledge hoping to see floyd fight the best challenge out there in Cotto.

You guys have rolled snake eyes with every excuse regarding floyd not fighting Cotto.

Who's left for Cotto to beat?

He beat Quintana who beat Williams who beat Margarito who beat Cintron. You throw Shane and Zab into that mix and you have yourself the real undisputed WW champion.

Well its pretty simple answer to your question P4P is not only about opposition, its about skills as well and lets be honest here. P4P Mayweather is much better than Pacquiao in every department except for power. Plus Mayweather has had more quality wins that Pacquiao has.

Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x2
ODLH
Angel Manfredy
Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton
Zab Judah

Manny Pacquiao has.

Erik Morales x2
MAB x2
JMM
Oscar Larios
Jorge Solis

Now those 3 names on Pacquiao's record are very impressive, but we are talking about a whole career here. And its pretty easy to see Mayweather has beaten more quality opposition than Pacquiao has. He also has more achievements than Pacquiao has winning 5 world titles in 5 different weight classes. Plus i don't see why Pacquiao should move to number 1 after getting a very controversial decision against Marquez in which more people think Marquez won than the other way around. Where as Mayweather dominated a P4P fighter in his last fight against Ricky Hatton and KO'd him. I think your just looking at those 3 names on Pacquiao's record and basing it on that, and your not looking at Mayweather's or Pacquiao's whole careers. IMO its not a hard question to answer Mayweather is rated higher than Pacquiao P4P because he has more quality wins than Pacquiao, Mayweather also P4P is a better fighter than Pacquiao quite easily IMO, Mayweather also has more achievements.

All this coming from a guy who was hoping for a Marquez victory and judged the fight with a blind eye the first time around.

You let these guys get in your head and rescored the fight to please them. Me on the other hand, I have real knowledge and don't need people to tell me whats true or not true.

Too many of you guys are followers and can't think for yourselves. Pitty.

You can do all the research you want but you will likely never have the eye for boxing that I have.

[ICB]

Biased? Moron? Man you guys know less about boxing than I originally thought.

Well everyone knows how much the truth hurts pretty badly so I guess I'll try to empathize your pain.

BTW, none of you guys have enough boxing knowledge to ever put me in my place and that becomes more evident with every passing post.

Think about it, on one hand you guys are trying to compare floyds resume to Pacs and hoping they will be matched against each other, while on the other hand, you have a REAL boxing fan with ACTUAL knowledge hoping to see floyd fight the best challenge out there in Cotto.

You guys have rolled snake eyes with every excuse regarding floyd not fighting Cotto.

Who's left for Cotto to beat?

He beat Quintana who beat Williams who beat Margarito who beat Cintron. You throw Shane and Zab into that mix and you have yourself the real undisputed WW champion.

Well its pretty simple answer to your question P4P is not only about opposition, its about skills as well and lets be honest here. P4P Mayweather is much better than Pacquiao in every department except for power. Plus Mayweather has had more quality wins that Pacquiao has.

Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x2
ODLH
Angel Manfredy
Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton
Zab Judah

Manny Pacquiao has.

Erik Morales x2
MAB x2
JMM
Oscar Larios
Jorge Solis

Now those 3 names on Pacquiao's record are very impressive, but we are talking about a whole career here. And its pretty easy to see Mayweather has beaten more quality opposition than Pacquiao has. He also has more achievements than Pacquiao has winning 5 world titles in 5 different weight classes. Plus i don't see why Pacquiao should move to number 1 after getting a very controversial decision against Marquez in which more people think Marquez won than the other way around. Where as Mayweather dominated a P4P fighter in his last fight against Ricky Hatton and KO'd him. I think your just looking at those 3 names on Pacquiao's record and basing it on that, and your not looking at Mayweather's or Pacquiao's whole careers. IMO its not a hard question to answer Mayweather is rated higher than Pacquiao P4P because he has more quality wins than Pacquiao, Mayweather also P4P is a better fighter than Pacquiao quite easily IMO, Mayweather also has more achievements.

All this coming from a guy who was hoping for a Marquez victory and judged the fight with a blind eye the first time around.

You let these guys get in your head and rescored the fight to please them. Me on the other hand, I have real knowledge and don't need people to tell me whats true or not true.

Too many of you guys are followers and can't think for yourselves. Pitty.

You can do all the research you want but you will likely never have the eye for boxing that I have.

Are you frigging kidding me ?? i actually do boxing and i have been following boxing for about 10 years and i do come from a boxing family. I changed my scoring because at the time i was doing RBR and i missed some things, the 2nd time i watched it in better quality my scoring did slightly change because i had missed some things and Pacquiao did a bit better than i thought, and he landed more punches than i thought he did. I changed the scoring on my own accord not because of anyone else, I go with my own opinion. You keep bragging about how good your boxing knowledge is and how no one can counter your argument well i just did and you had no reply to it.

[Bx730NY]

Well its pretty simple answer to your question P4P is not only about opposition, its about skills as well and lets be honest here. P4P Mayweather is much better than Pacquiao in every department except for power. Plus Mayweather has had more quality wins that Pacquiao has.

Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x2
ODLH
Angel Manfredy
Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton
Zab Judah

Manny Pacquiao has.

Erik Morales x2
MAB x2
JMM
Oscar Larios
Jorge Solis

Now those 3 names on Pacquiao's record are very impressive, but we are talking about a whole career here. And its pretty easy to see Mayweather has beaten more quality opposition than Pacquiao has. He also has more achievements than Pacquiao has winning 5 world titles in 5 different weight classes. Plus i don't see why Pacquiao should move to number 1 after getting a very controversial decision against Marquez in which more people think Marquez won than the other way around. Where as Mayweather dominated a P4P fighter in his last fight against Ricky Hatton and KO'd him. I think your just looking at those 3 names on Pacquiao's record and basing it on that, and your not looking at Mayweather's or Pacquiao's whole careers. IMO its not a hard question to answer Mayweather is rated higher than Pacquiao P4P because he has more quality wins than Pacquiao, Mayweather also P4P is a better fighter than Pacquiao quite easily IMO, Mayweather also has more achievements.

All this coming from a guy who was hoping for a Marquez victory and judged the fight with a blind eye the first time around.

You let these guys get in your head and rescored the fight to please them. Me on the other hand, I have real knowledge and don't need people to tell me whats true or not true.

Too many of you guys are followers and can't think for yourselves. Pitty.

You can do all the research you want but you will likely never have the eye for boxing that I have.

Are you frigging kidding me ?? i actually do boxing and i have been following boxing for about 10 years and i do come from a boxing family. I changed my scoring because at the time i was doing RBR and i missed some things, the 2nd time i watched it in better quality my scoring did slightly change because i had missed some things and Pacquiao did a bit better than i thought, and he landed more punches than i thought he did. I changed the scoring on my own accord not because of anyone else, I go with my own opinion. You keep bragging about how good your boxing knowledge is and how no one can counter your argument well i just did and you had no reply to it.

Hey man, the truth is you been slippin lately and your posts have lost some steam.

That's why I don't care about the whole rep system and all that like you. You always try to say all the right things to please people that you think are your buddies in here while I continually drop gems on all.

If you do come from boxing family and all that then you need to get your focus back man because I used to actually enjoy reading your posts until somewhere along the line you lost your focus.

I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge but it's clear from the posting that I'm a realist. I don't rely on misinformation or compare past guys with current ones or try to act like I know Ali and those type of guys fight game inside and out. What I do know is the here and now.

You can rate a guy who looks great against non worthy opposition as high as you want but it takes away from your credibility , not mine. I rate a guy by accomplishments.

If a guy wins a world title in 8 weight classes by fighting the most vulnerable guys it doesnt mean as much a guy fighting in the same loaded wight class his whole career and fighting the best fighters in the world.

[ICB]

All this coming from a guy who was hoping for a Marquez victory and judged the fight with a blind eye the first time around.

You let these guys get in your head and rescored the fight to please them. Me on the other hand, I have real knowledge and don't need people to tell me whats true or not true.

Too many of you guys are followers and can't think for yourselves. Pitty.

You can do all the research you want but you will likely never have the eye for boxing that I have.

Are you frigging kidding me ?? i actually do boxing and i have been following boxing for about 10 years and i do come from a boxing family. I changed my scoring because at the time i was doing RBR and i missed some things, the 2nd time i watched it in better quality my scoring did slightly change because i had missed some things and Pacquiao did a bit better than i thought, and he landed more punches than i thought he did. I changed the scoring on my own accord not because of anyone else, I go with my own opinion. You keep bragging about how good your boxing knowledge is and how no one can counter your argument well i just did and you had no reply to it.

Hey man, the truth is you been slippin lately and your posts have lost some steam.

That's why I don't care about the whole rep system and all that like you. You always try to say all the right things to please people that you think are your buddies in here while I continually drop gems on all.

If you do come from boxing family and all that then you need to get your focus back man because I used to actually enjoy reading your posts until somewhere along the line you lost your focus.

I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge but it's clear from the posting that I'm a realist. I don't rely on misinformation or compare past guys with current ones or try to act like I know Ali and those type of guys fight game inside and out. What I do know is the here and now.

You can rate a guy who looks great against non worthy opposition as high as you want but it takes away from your credibility , not mine. I rate a guy by accomplishments.

If a guy wins a world title in 8 weight classes by fighting the most vulnerable guys it doesnt mean as much a guy fighting in the same loaded wight class his whole career and fighting the best fighters in the world.

Mayweather beat some of the best fighters at that time at Super Featherweight, Lightweight, i'll admit after he moved up to Jr Welterweight his opposition level did drop a bit, but i think his opposition has improved lately, ok im not happy about Mayweather rematching ODLH, but still its a good match up and so was the Hatton match up. And me saying things to please people ?? you must be joking, i considered Julius Rains to be one of the people i liked on this site but i had a big argument with him. Lets get one thing straight i will debate with anyone if i disagree with them. I don't care if i like them or not if i disagree with someone i'll let them know about it. Im not trying to be nasty but you said that no one can counter your argument i just did that and you had no reply to it. I think its a bit silly to brag about how no one can counter your argument then when someone does you say *I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge*. If you come out with a statement like that then you can't back out when you clearly stated no one has boxing knowledge to counter your argument, well i did and then you couldn't counter it. Im not here to argue but either debate or don't come out with comments like that its that simple.

[Bx730NY]

Are you frigging kidding me ?? i actually do boxing and i have been following boxing for about 10 years and i do come from a boxing family. I changed my scoring because at the time i was doing RBR and i missed some things, the 2nd time i watched it in better quality my scoring did slightly change because i had missed some things and Pacquiao did a bit better than i thought, and he landed more punches than i thought he did. I changed the scoring on my own accord not because of anyone else, I go with my own opinion. You keep bragging about how good your boxing knowledge is and how no one can counter your argument well i just did and you had no reply to it.

Hey man, the truth is you been slippin lately and your posts have lost some steam.

That's why I don't care about the whole rep system and all that like you. You always try to say all the right things to please people that you think are your buddies in here while I continually drop gems on all.

If you do come from boxing family and all that then you need to get your focus back man because I used to actually enjoy reading your posts until somewhere along the line you lost your focus.

I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge but it's clear from the posting that I'm a realist. I don't rely on misinformation or compare past guys with current ones or try to act like I know Ali and those type of guys fight game inside and out. What I do know is the here and now.

You can rate a guy who looks great against non worthy opposition as high as you want but it takes away from your credibility , not mine. I rate a guy by accomplishments.

If a guy wins a world title in 8 weight classes by fighting the most vulnerable guys it doesnt mean as much a guy fighting in the same loaded wight class his whole career and fighting the best fighters in the world.

Mayweather beat some of the best fighters at that time at Super Featherweight, Lightweight, i'll admit after he moved up to Jr Welterweight his opposition level did drop a bit, but i think his opposition has improved lately, ok im not happy about Mayweather rematching ODLH, but still its a good match up and so was the Hatton match up. And me saying things to please people ?? you must be joking, i considered Julius Rains to be one of the people i liked on this site but i had a big argument with him. Lets get one thing straight i will debate with anyone if i disagree with them. I don't care if i like them or not if i disagree with someone i'll let them know about it. Im not trying to be nasty but you said that no one can counter your argument i just did that and you had no reply to it. I think its a bit silly to brag about how no one can counter your argument then when someone does you say *I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge*. If you come out with a statement like that then you can't back out when you clearly stated no one has boxing knowledge to counter your argument, well i did and then you couldn't counter it. Im not here to argue but either debate or don't come out with comments like that its that simple.

I don't need to break down my pedigree because I make enough sense not to need to brother. You talk about past fighters and things and that's all good and gravy but that's not my era. This is. I love this boxing era and I want to see the great fighters fight each other even if it means me seeing one of my favorites lose.

How can a guy duck so many guys and still be considered the best by beating unworthy opponents. Hatton was clearly coming in with his hands down and it was only a matter of time before he would get caught. Collazo hurt him at ww too remember? As for DLH, how can anyone have expected him to be anything more than rusty after 1 fight in 3 or 4 years and that 1 being against a punching bag named Mayorga.

I give him credit for the Zab victory but I'm not buying that he was on his way to stopping him because it wasn't even close. Baldomir, i don't even need to comment on that 1 and Sharmba....Williams beat him worse.

I still think Williams would be a serious threat to floyd because even though floyd is able to move well, he would not mix it up enough to keep Williams honest like Quintana did.

You guys give floyd credit for what he hasn't done. Everytime some1 brings up a name, all you hear is , are u crazy, floyd would destroy him or there's isnt enough money.

Meanwhile, Pac could ko 100 guys that are not on his level and would not get the credit because he doesn't go around telling the world he's unbeatable.

You were talking like you had me stumped ICB but that can't happen because you have alot more to learn about trusting your own judgements.

I'll just leave it that.

[ono]

Thanks for putting that moron in his place guys. Most biased poster on here calls us all bias!

Biased? Moron? Man you guys know less about boxing than I originally thought.

Well everyone knows how much the truth hurts pretty badly so I guess I'll try to empathize your pain.

BTW, none of you guys have enough boxing knowledge to ever put me in my place and that becomes more evident with every passing post.

Think about it, on one hand you guys are trying to compare floyds resume to Pacs and hoping they will be matched against each other, while on the other hand, you have a REAL boxing fan with ACTUAL knowledge hoping to see floyd fight the best challenge out there in Cotto.

You guys have rolled snake eyes with every excuse regarding floyd not fighting Cotto.

Who's left for Cotto to beat?

He beat Quintana who beat Williams who beat Margarito who beat Cintron. You throw Shane and Zab into that mix and you have yourself the real undisputed WW champion.

Well its pretty simple answer to your question P4P is not only about opposition, its about skills as well and lets be honest here. P4P Mayweather is much better than Pacquiao in every department except for power. Plus Mayweather has had more quality wins that Pacquiao has.

Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x2
ODLH
Angel Manfredy
Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton
Zab Judah

Manny Pacquiao has.

Erik Morales x2
MAB x2
JMM
Oscar Larios
Jorge Solis

Now those 3 names on Pacquiao's record are very impressive, but we are talking about a whole career here. And its pretty easy to see Mayweather has beaten more quality opposition than Pacquiao has. He also has more achievements than Pacquiao has winning 5 world titles in 5 different weight classes. Plus i don't see why Pacquiao should move to number 1 after getting a very controversial decision against Marquez in which more people think Marquez won than the other way around. Where as Mayweather dominated a P4P fighter in his last fight against Ricky Hatton and KO'd him. I think your just looking at those 3 names on Pacquiao's record and basing it on that, and your not looking at Mayweather's or Pacquiao's whole careers. IMO its not a hard question to answer Mayweather is rated higher than Pacquiao P4P because he has more quality wins than Pacquiao, Mayweather also P4P is a better fighter than Pacquiao quite easily IMO, Mayweather also has more achievements.

Very well said.

At the end of the day, if they weighed the same and fought, i'd expect a Mayweather victory time and time again.

That's not a knock on Pac by the way. He's awesome, i just think Mayweather is extra extra special.

[ono]

I think beating De La Hoya at 154 is a bigger win than Pacquaio beating Marquez by controversial decision, especially when you factor in the amount of damage Pacquaio absorbed.

And hatton was the undisiputed, undefeated junior welterweight champ and Floyd simply annihilated him.

Pacquiao won by the skin of his teeth, at least three quarters of people here think he lost. There were several times he looked out on his feet.

there's no comparison,Floyd isa different league altogether.

that and the fact floyd has been at that weight and won a belt there.

pac vs floyd at that weight? floyd would KO him no question.

have you ever seen floyd get hit flush? none right? anybody that could punch gets a 50/50 chance. how could you be so sure floyd ko's him? i wish manny and floyd were in the same division coz they will surely make the fight happen. now we will see who will shut up.

With all of the world class fighters he has fought, surely that only emphasizes how great he is. You've just pissed on your own bonfire there mate

[Gandalf]

Pac is not pound for pound the best fighter in the world. He lost against Marquez and he looked poor against Barrera (though he won that).

[Gandalf]

Pac is not pound for pound the best fighter in the world. He lost against Marquez and he looked poor against Barrera (though he won that).

Correction. Marquez lost against Pac,.... TWICE!!!

The big difference between you and me is that you have a flag in your avatar and I dont.

I advise you watch both fights again and take the flags out of your fluttering eyes because you dont know how to score a boxing match up

[Chino]

[quote=josef4334;480714]

manny never looked like he was on his way out anywhere

Are you sure? There were many rounds where he looked like he was on his way out, specially round 8. I think this fight has exposed Manny like never before. I was surprised to see him exhausted and holding to dear life on some rounds, specially round 8. I've seen him clearly dominating in other fights but not against Marquez.

Sure, lots of boxing experts, commentators, fans, etc. disagree with the desicion but oh well, I guess he won. Can't change that. Nice exciting fight anyways.

[:::PSL:::]

[quote=Chino;482207]

manny never looked like he was on his way out anywhere

Are you sure? There were many rounds where he looked like he was on his way out, specially round 8. I think this fight has exposed Manny like never before. I was surprised to see him exhausted and holding to dear life on some rounds, specially round 8. I've seen him clearly dominating in other fights but not against Marquez.

Sure, lots of boxing experts, commentators, fans, etc. disagree with the desicion but oh well, I guess he won. Can't change that. Nice exciting fight anyways.

Pac was squinting a lot in round 8. That was a big round for JMM. I thought he was gonna finish Pac there, or an EM-MP 1 deJavu atleast. But ofcourse, being a true warrior Manny is,.. he turned the table and gave Marquez a nastier cut in the eye too.

Note: Marquez got cut twice. One from the accidental headbutt, and the other is from the punch.

[Violent Demise]

Firstly,I think it was a tremendous fight. Really really awesome fight and congrats to both fighters.Second best foty imo.

I had JMM winning by a point.However,it was a close fight and could have gone either way. These guys could have 10 fights,each would be exciting and each would be close.

I'm not dropping JMM any places in my P4P lists because it was such a dam good and close fight.He gave Manny hell and vise versa. The reason I'm putting Manny P4P number 1 is he showed some improvements tonight to deal with a stylistic nightmare.He had excellent upper body movement,not as off balance as he used to be and blocked punches to compliment good,controlled agression.He's still primarily a 1 handed fighter but uses his right more than he used to. And he won.It was close but for him to beat JMM is a great achievement.

I told you guys it would go to points. Tremendous fight,boxing fans are the winners.Although I have a feeling we won't be seeing JMM again,I don't know why.

I want Manny to whoop that over rated journeyman David Diaz!

It's impossible to put Pac at number 1. He lost the fight

[brucelee]

Firstly,I think it was a tremendous fight. Really really awesome fight and congrats to both fighters.Second best foty imo.

I had JMM winning by a point.However,it was a close fight and could have gone either way. These guys could have 10 fights,each would be exciting and each would be close.

I'm not dropping JMM any places in my P4P lists because it was such a dam good and close fight.He gave Manny hell and vise versa. The reason I'm putting Manny P4P number 1 is he showed some improvements tonight to deal with a stylistic nightmare.He had excellent upper body movement,not as off balance as he used to be and blocked punches to compliment good,controlled agression.He's still primarily a 1 handed fighter but uses his right more than he used to. And he won.It was close but for him to beat JMM is a great achievement.

I told you guys it would go to points. Tremendous fight,boxing fans are the winners.Although I have a feeling we won't be seeing JMM again,I don't know why.

I want Manny to whoop that over rated journeyman David Diaz!

It's impossible to put Pac at number 1. He lost the fight

LOL





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