WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!

[Bx730NY]

Well its pretty simple answer to your question P4P is not only about opposition, its about skills as well and lets be honest here. P4P Mayweather is much better than Pacquiao in every department except for power. Plus Mayweather has had more quality wins that Pacquiao has.

Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x2
ODLH
Angel Manfredy
Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton
Zab Judah

Manny Pacquiao has.

Erik Morales x2
MAB x2
JMM
Oscar Larios
Jorge Solis

Now those 3 names on Pacquiao's record are very impressive, but we are talking about a whole career here. And its pretty easy to see Mayweather has beaten more quality opposition than Pacquiao has. He also has more achievements than Pacquiao has winning 5 world titles in 5 different weight classes. Plus i don't see why Pacquiao should move to number 1 after getting a very controversial decision against Marquez in which more people think Marquez won than the other way around. Where as Mayweather dominated a P4P fighter in his last fight against Ricky Hatton and KO'd him. I think your just looking at those 3 names on Pacquiao's record and basing it on that, and your not looking at Mayweather's or Pacquiao's whole careers. IMO its not a hard question to answer Mayweather is rated higher than Pacquiao P4P because he has more quality wins than Pacquiao, Mayweather also P4P is a better fighter than Pacquiao quite easily IMO, Mayweather also has more achievements.

All this coming from a guy who was hoping for a Marquez victory and judged the fight with a blind eye the first time around.

You let these guys get in your head and rescored the fight to please them. Me on the other hand, I have real knowledge and don't need people to tell me whats true or not true.

Too many of you guys are followers and can't think for yourselves. Pitty.

You can do all the research you want but you will likely never have the eye for boxing that I have.

Are you frigging kidding me ?? i actually do boxing and i have been following boxing for about 10 years and i do come from a boxing family. I changed my scoring because at the time i was doing RBR and i missed some things, the 2nd time i watched it in better quality my scoring did slightly change because i had missed some things and Pacquiao did a bit better than i thought, and he landed more punches than i thought he did. I changed the scoring on my own accord not because of anyone else, I go with my own opinion. You keep bragging about how good your boxing knowledge is and how no one can counter your argument well i just did and you had no reply to it.

Hey man, the truth is you been slippin lately and your posts have lost some steam.

That's why I don't care about the whole rep system and all that like you. You always try to say all the right things to please people that you think are your buddies in here while I continually drop gems on all.

If you do come from boxing family and all that then you need to get your focus back man because I used to actually enjoy reading your posts until somewhere along the line you lost your focus.

I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge but it's clear from the posting that I'm a realist. I don't rely on misinformation or compare past guys with current ones or try to act like I know Ali and those type of guys fight game inside and out. What I do know is the here and now.

You can rate a guy who looks great against non worthy opposition as high as you want but it takes away from your credibility , not mine. I rate a guy by accomplishments.

If a guy wins a world title in 8 weight classes by fighting the most vulnerable guys it doesnt mean as much a guy fighting in the same loaded wight class his whole career and fighting the best fighters in the world.

[ICB]

All this coming from a guy who was hoping for a Marquez victory and judged the fight with a blind eye the first time around.

You let these guys get in your head and rescored the fight to please them. Me on the other hand, I have real knowledge and don't need people to tell me whats true or not true.

Too many of you guys are followers and can't think for yourselves. Pitty.

You can do all the research you want but you will likely never have the eye for boxing that I have.

Are you frigging kidding me ?? i actually do boxing and i have been following boxing for about 10 years and i do come from a boxing family. I changed my scoring because at the time i was doing RBR and i missed some things, the 2nd time i watched it in better quality my scoring did slightly change because i had missed some things and Pacquiao did a bit better than i thought, and he landed more punches than i thought he did. I changed the scoring on my own accord not because of anyone else, I go with my own opinion. You keep bragging about how good your boxing knowledge is and how no one can counter your argument well i just did and you had no reply to it.

Hey man, the truth is you been slippin lately and your posts have lost some steam.

That's why I don't care about the whole rep system and all that like you. You always try to say all the right things to please people that you think are your buddies in here while I continually drop gems on all.

If you do come from boxing family and all that then you need to get your focus back man because I used to actually enjoy reading your posts until somewhere along the line you lost your focus.

I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge but it's clear from the posting that I'm a realist. I don't rely on misinformation or compare past guys with current ones or try to act like I know Ali and those type of guys fight game inside and out. What I do know is the here and now.

You can rate a guy who looks great against non worthy opposition as high as you want but it takes away from your credibility , not mine. I rate a guy by accomplishments.

If a guy wins a world title in 8 weight classes by fighting the most vulnerable guys it doesnt mean as much a guy fighting in the same loaded wight class his whole career and fighting the best fighters in the world.

Mayweather beat some of the best fighters at that time at Super Featherweight, Lightweight, i'll admit after he moved up to Jr Welterweight his opposition level did drop a bit, but i think his opposition has improved lately, ok im not happy about Mayweather rematching ODLH, but still its a good match up and so was the Hatton match up. And me saying things to please people ?? you must be joking, i considered Julius Rains to be one of the people i liked on this site but i had a big argument with him. Lets get one thing straight i will debate with anyone if i disagree with them. I don't care if i like them or not if i disagree with someone i'll let them know about it. Im not trying to be nasty but you said that no one can counter your argument i just did that and you had no reply to it. I think its a bit silly to brag about how no one can counter your argument then when someone does you say *I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge*. If you come out with a statement like that then you can't back out when you clearly stated no one has boxing knowledge to counter your argument, well i did and then you couldn't counter it. Im not here to argue but either debate or don't come out with comments like that its that simple.

[Bx730NY]

Are you frigging kidding me ?? i actually do boxing and i have been following boxing for about 10 years and i do come from a boxing family. I changed my scoring because at the time i was doing RBR and i missed some things, the 2nd time i watched it in better quality my scoring did slightly change because i had missed some things and Pacquiao did a bit better than i thought, and he landed more punches than i thought he did. I changed the scoring on my own accord not because of anyone else, I go with my own opinion. You keep bragging about how good your boxing knowledge is and how no one can counter your argument well i just did and you had no reply to it.

Hey man, the truth is you been slippin lately and your posts have lost some steam.

That's why I don't care about the whole rep system and all that like you. You always try to say all the right things to please people that you think are your buddies in here while I continually drop gems on all.

If you do come from boxing family and all that then you need to get your focus back man because I used to actually enjoy reading your posts until somewhere along the line you lost your focus.

I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge but it's clear from the posting that I'm a realist. I don't rely on misinformation or compare past guys with current ones or try to act like I know Ali and those type of guys fight game inside and out. What I do know is the here and now.

You can rate a guy who looks great against non worthy opposition as high as you want but it takes away from your credibility , not mine. I rate a guy by accomplishments.

If a guy wins a world title in 8 weight classes by fighting the most vulnerable guys it doesnt mean as much a guy fighting in the same loaded wight class his whole career and fighting the best fighters in the world.

Mayweather beat some of the best fighters at that time at Super Featherweight, Lightweight, i'll admit after he moved up to Jr Welterweight his opposition level did drop a bit, but i think his opposition has improved lately, ok im not happy about Mayweather rematching ODLH, but still its a good match up and so was the Hatton match up. And me saying things to please people ?? you must be joking, i considered Julius Rains to be one of the people i liked on this site but i had a big argument with him. Lets get one thing straight i will debate with anyone if i disagree with them. I don't care if i like them or not if i disagree with someone i'll let them know about it. Im not trying to be nasty but you said that no one can counter your argument i just did that and you had no reply to it. I think its a bit silly to brag about how no one can counter your argument then when someone does you say *I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge*. If you come out with a statement like that then you can't back out when you clearly stated no one has boxing knowledge to counter your argument, well i did and then you couldn't counter it. Im not here to argue but either debate or don't come out with comments like that its that simple.

I don't need to break down my pedigree because I make enough sense not to need to brother. You talk about past fighters and things and that's all good and gravy but that's not my era. This is. I love this boxing era and I want to see the great fighters fight each other even if it means me seeing one of my favorites lose.

How can a guy duck so many guys and still be considered the best by beating unworthy opponents. Hatton was clearly coming in with his hands down and it was only a matter of time before he would get caught. Collazo hurt him at ww too remember? As for DLH, how can anyone have expected him to be anything more than rusty after 1 fight in 3 or 4 years and that 1 being against a punching bag named Mayorga.

I give him credit for the Zab victory but I'm not buying that he was on his way to stopping him because it wasn't even close. Baldomir, i don't even need to comment on that 1 and Sharmba....Williams beat him worse.

I still think Williams would be a serious threat to floyd because even though floyd is able to move well, he would not mix it up enough to keep Williams honest like Quintana did.

You guys give floyd credit for what he hasn't done. Everytime some1 brings up a name, all you hear is , are u crazy, floyd would destroy him or there's isnt enough money.

Meanwhile, Pac could ko 100 guys that are not on his level and would not get the credit because he doesn't go around telling the world he's unbeatable.

You were talking like you had me stumped ICB but that can't happen because you have alot more to learn about trusting your own judgements.

I'll just leave it that.

[ICB]

Hey man, the truth is you been slippin lately and your posts have lost some steam.

That's why I don't care about the whole rep system and all that like you. You always try to say all the right things to please people that you think are your buddies in here while I continually drop gems on all.

If you do come from boxing family and all that then you need to get your focus back man because I used to actually enjoy reading your posts until somewhere along the line you lost your focus.

I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge but it's clear from the posting that I'm a realist. I don't rely on misinformation or compare past guys with current ones or try to act like I know Ali and those type of guys fight game inside and out. What I do know is the here and now.

You can rate a guy who looks great against non worthy opposition as high as you want but it takes away from your credibility , not mine. I rate a guy by accomplishments.

If a guy wins a world title in 8 weight classes by fighting the most vulnerable guys it doesnt mean as much a guy fighting in the same loaded wight class his whole career and fighting the best fighters in the world.

Mayweather beat some of the best fighters at that time at Super Featherweight, Lightweight, i'll admit after he moved up to Jr Welterweight his opposition level did drop a bit, but i think his opposition has improved lately, ok im not happy about Mayweather rematching ODLH, but still its a good match up and so was the Hatton match up. And me saying things to please people ?? you must be joking, i considered Julius Rains to be one of the people i liked on this site but i had a big argument with him. Lets get one thing straight i will debate with anyone if i disagree with them. I don't care if i like them or not if i disagree with someone i'll let them know about it. Im not trying to be nasty but you said that no one can counter your argument i just did that and you had no reply to it. I think its a bit silly to brag about how no one can counter your argument then when someone does you say *I don't need to break down my whole pedigree on you about my boxing knowledge*. If you come out with a statement like that then you can't back out when you clearly stated no one has boxing knowledge to counter your argument, well i did and then you couldn't counter it. Im not here to argue but either debate or don't come out with comments like that its that simple.

I don't need to break down my pedigree because I make enough sense not to need to brother. You talk about past fighters and things and that's all good and gravy but that's not my era. This is. I love this boxing era and I want to see the great fighters fight each other even if it means me seeing one of my favorites lose.

How can a guy duck so many guys and still be considered the best by beating unworthy opponents. Hatton was clearly coming in with his hands down and it was only a matter of time before he would get caught. Collazo hurt him at ww too remember? As for DLH, how can anyone have expected him to be anything more than rusty after 1 fight in 3 or 4 years and that 1 being against a punching bag named Mayorga.

I give him credit for the Zab victory but I'm not buying that he was on his way to stopping him because it wasn't even close. Baldomir, i don't even need to comment on that 1 and Sharmba....Williams beat him worse.

I still think Williams would be a serious threat to floyd because even though floyd is able to move well, he would not mix it up enough to keep Williams honest like Quintana did.

You guys give floyd credit for what he hasn't done. Everytime some1 brings up a name, all you hear is , are u crazy, floyd would destroy him or there's isnt enough money.

Meanwhile, Pac could ko 100 guys that are not on his level and would not get the credit because he doesn't go around telling the world he's unbeatable.

You were talking like you had me stumped ICB but that can't happen because you have alot more to learn about trusting your own judgements.

I'll just leave it that.

Yes you do need to break it down otherwise why come out with that comment that no one can challenge your argument or etc that just seems ridiculous to me. You ask for a debate you got one then you don't want to break it down ?? and im not be nasty here but your actually slightly annoying me now, because you think your some sort great almighty knowledgeable boxing fan and no one is in your league when thats total BS and you know it. And who are these fighters that Mayweather is ducking ?? you come out with the comment and don't back up your argument. And as for ODLH i think your find Mayweather was moving up to a weight class he had never fought at before, and i think your find many people on this forum had it 50-50 match up. Plus ODLH was about a stone heavier than Mayweather on fight night. Plus ODLH's bad performances against Sturm, Hopkins, were at Middleweight where he was comfortable, at Light Middleweight where he fought Mayweather he some of his best performances like the rematch against Mosley, and against Vargas, plus when he fought Mayorga he looked great to me, he looked sharp, strong, fast. As for Hatton he was P4P fighter and Mayweather outclassed and KO'd Hatton in brutal fashion. As for Hatton at WW many people were saying Hatton had an off night against Collazo and that he took Collazo lightly. You know what makes me laugh is that people like you are never happy. You say he is avoiding ODLH he beats him then he is ducking Hatton, he beats Hatton now he is avoiding Miguel Cotto, who is he avoiding next if he beats Cotto ?? Paul Williams, Vernon Forrest ?? And you still did not counter my argument because i gave you a list of fighters Mayweather beat and you mention Sharmba Mitchell and Carlos Baldomir, when i didn't even mention them in the first place. And what do you mean we give credit for what Mayweather hasn't done ?? no i give him credit for beating more quality fighters than Pacquiao does, plus winning 5 titles in 5 different weight classes, more than Pacquiao thats why he is higher on P4P rankings than Pacquiao simple as that, and not only that because P4P Mayweather is a much better fighter than Pacquiao what more can i say ?? its pretty simple answer. I was talking like i had you stumped ?? you have yet to counter my argument at all. All i know is that you was the one bragging about how no one can counter your argument, and i have yet then you say you don't want to break it down, and IMO you have yet to counter any of my comments as of yet.

[noskill]

Good question. Alot of people felt Manny lost,alot felt he won. Thats the indicator of a great fight. No one can scream robbery over the results because it was truly a good,close fight. Both guys have caught some crap for the fight outcomes and events in the ring. BOTH guys should just get credit for being that competitive against each other and being so evenly matched with their opposite styles. Pac was hurt,JMM was hurt..great fight.

As for P4P,I think Manny gets a temporary nod until Floyd becomes"active" again. I don't think you should stay atop without fighting,and fighting top guys. Pacquiao gets the "interim" P4P top spot for me. Inactivity plays a pivotal role for my personal scoring.