Jones Jr. at Middleweight, re: ducking

[ICB]

Timing beats speed and McClellan had timing in spades.

McClellan had a good enough chin to hang with Jackson twice.
Roy couldn't stop him, sooner or later McClellan would have tagged him.

McClellan had monster power at Middle. I think he would have got the job done

Timing beats speed if the speed doesn't have timing. Toney had both speed and timing, and he only hit Jones a few times with clean shots, same with Hopkins, both Hopkins and Toney were faster than McCellan, both were as good or better than McClellan and both couldn't time Roy, they couldn't land enough flush shots to stop Roy. You talked about the amateurs, but the amateurs are nothing like the pros, and Roy was nothing like he was as a pro. It wasn't McClellan who went to the Olympics in their weightclass, Roy was a lot easier to tag in the amateurs and he was more of a flurry type fighter than a strategic boxer. As for McClellan chin, how long did his fights with Julian Jackson last (combined 6 rounds?) And how many clean shots did Julian land? Roy dropped guys with better chins than McClellan, Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Reggie Johnson, were all guys who had been known for their iron jaws, but Roy hurt and stopped two of them, and he could have stopped Reggie as well if he really wanted to.

The difference between Toney and hopkins and Gerald was that with Gerald it legitimately only took one.

He alreday had a psychological advantage over Roy and he was continuously improving as a fighter.

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

[Fenster]

Timing beats speed if the speed doesn't have timing. Toney had both speed and timing, and he only hit Jones a few times with clean shots, same with Hopkins, both Hopkins and Toney were faster than McCellan, both were as good or better than McClellan and both couldn't time Roy, they couldn't land enough flush shots to stop Roy. You talked about the amateurs, but the amateurs are nothing like the pros, and Roy was nothing like he was as a pro. It wasn't McClellan who went to the Olympics in their weightclass, Roy was a lot easier to tag in the amateurs and he was more of a flurry type fighter than a strategic boxer. As for McClellan chin, how long did his fights with Julian Jackson last (combined 6 rounds?) And how many clean shots did Julian land? Roy dropped guys with better chins than McClellan, Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Reggie Johnson, were all guys who had been known for their iron jaws, but Roy hurt and stopped two of them, and he could have stopped Reggie as well if he really wanted to.

The difference between Toney and hopkins and Gerald was that with Gerald it legitimately only took one.

He alreday had a psychological advantage over Roy and he was continuously improving as a fighter.

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

Hopkins had the reputation of a ferocious frightening deadly puncher that rivaled McClellan, did he?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Timing beats speed if the speed doesn't have timing. Toney had both speed and timing, and he only hit Jones a few times with clean shots, same with Hopkins, both Hopkins and Toney were faster than McCellan, both were as good or better than McClellan and both couldn't time Roy, they couldn't land enough flush shots to stop Roy. You talked about the amateurs, but the amateurs are nothing like the pros, and Roy was nothing like he was as a pro. It wasn't McClellan who went to the Olympics in their weightclass, Roy was a lot easier to tag in the amateurs and he was more of a flurry type fighter than a strategic boxer. As for McClellan chin, how long did his fights with Julian Jackson last (combined 6 rounds?) And how many clean shots did Julian land? Roy dropped guys with better chins than McClellan, Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Reggie Johnson, were all guys who had been known for their iron jaws, but Roy hurt and stopped two of them, and he could have stopped Reggie as well if he really wanted to.

The difference between Toney and hopkins and Gerald was that with Gerald it legitimately only took one.

He alreday had a psychological advantage over Roy and he was continuously improving as a fighter.

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

Hopkins at his aggresive best was an accumulative puncher. He hit hard, but a paralell with McClellan is incorrect

[ICB]

The difference between Toney and hopkins and Gerald was that with Gerald it legitimately only took one.

He alreday had a psychological advantage over Roy and he was continuously improving as a fighter.

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

Hopkins had the reputation of a ferocious frightening deadly puncher that rivaled McClellan, did he?

Did i say that ?? i said Hopkins had the kind of punch that could set up knockout. If he hit you flush back in those days he most of the time shook his opponent badly which set up the knockout. I never said he was in the league of McClellan's punching power but Hopkins was still a big puncher.

[Fenster]

But you forget Hopkins was also a big puncher back in the day, in fact he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. You could say with Hopkins that it only took 1 as well back when he was a very aggressive fighter.

Hopkins had the reputation of a ferocious frightening deadly puncher that rivaled McClellan, did he?

Did i say that ?? i said Hopkins had the kind of punch that could set up knockout. If he hit you flush back in those days he most of the time shook his opponent badly which set up the knockout. I never said he was in the league of McClellan's punching power but Hopkins was still a big puncher.

OK Icey. I thought maybe you knew something no-one else did. Best for your sake to make that clear.. otherwise you look silly.