Originally Posted by pacfan


While I'm at it, I'll put in few more cent's worth. Why, they say, do good people die young while the evil ones thrive in this world. It's because this world is a battleground between the good and the evil, and just like the usual battleground, they do not discriminate between good soldiers or bad when the roll call to heaven begins. On the contrary, evil has more success here because they do what they do best here on earth, while the good ones are not good at those things the evil ones do. But their triumph is only temporary. The good will have their rewards in heaven, and in the end, in this world too when eventually the good triumphs for good. Just look at the history of this world and you can see that trend in that direction.

One thing many people find it hard to understand about Christian doctrine is their glorification of martyrhood or martyrship (if there are such terms) which leads many Christians to martyrdom, either consciously or subconsciously. As all other misunderstood doctrines of Christianity, there is a good reason for it. God meant for some chosen people, who were naturally made up for it, the path of martyrdom so as to show the rest of us in a very dramatic fashion that some good guys had to sacrifice their lives, many times in a cruel manner, for the sake of goodness - against evil, which they stood up to in a non-violent way, for our sake. In non-violent way - to overcome evil with good. So we too must do our own little sacrifices to make this world a bit better. I believe there is a reason for every tragedy and that there will always be some good that will come out of it just as it did after the sacrifices of our Saints.


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Originally Posted by Andre

Pacfan my friend...

St Luke chapter 17 / 20 ; 21
The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21Neither shall they say, LO here! or lo there! for,behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


Notice how when the Pharisees asked Jesus when the Kingdom would come how he didnt point upwards or even at the ground but said (in the present tense) that it IS within YOU.

There lies the key, keep meditating my friend search within not through any external go betweens.

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Yes you are right, I know deep inside you have a good understanding, maybe not yet clear, but nevertheless it's there because you are in the right path. I'm not sure if you meant by saints as 'go betweens' but this is just a first step. We human beings need first to be drawn into our religion - just as I am try to draw our dear friend CFH into it - and one of the best way is by examples, and they must be dramatic ones, just as Jesus died cruelly and dramatically on the cross, so as to convince us - and convince, he did superbly, we have 1 billion people to prove that. Eventually, I think all Christian, and all religions, will be lead to the right path at the right stage or time. But it will come in certain cycles, and in certain steps - a religious evolution. I believe we are still in this stage of gathering of flocks and the birthpain stage. Once the job is done, all will eventually lead to one right path, which of course is the connection to the universal path through our inner self to the external universal energy. This internal and external aspect is where I have to discuss very carefully as we go along on our long discussion because this is the place where there are many misunderstanding. To give you a little hint, there from our little inner self comes selfishness and all our fears, EGO and from where all the hatred and wars of this world comes from. Therefore, we must silence this selfish self and only then, can we connect ourselves to the universal energy - God - or mind, by directing our minds through the inner path onto the external (because if we direct our mind to our inner self, we will be led to our selfish self again - again this is the area where there is the misunderstanding - I'll clear this issue one day when I have enough time) universal energy. We'll keep on discussing it at your thread little by little...

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No,sorry for the distraction,obviously its pointless.
Be careful ,the truth is not to be found among the billions, much love and best of luck.

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Oh, if you see my name pop out once in awhile, it means I've been to bathroom and checking once in awhile on the way. Don't worry, I can explain myself clearly, because I see things differently, even in my religion, I see it in a different way than other Catholics do. I'll explain some other time. Back to bed for me.

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