What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?

[SweetPea]

Let his hands go, especially the right hand, and also to stop holding so damn much.

Let me ask you then.... has Bernard Hopkins been on your Top 10 PFP list recently?

[X]

Appear in 'I am legend' in real life.

[Kirkland Laing]

For Vlad to make the top ten the level the top ten are currently at will have to fall dramatically. If Vlad ever makes the top ten even none of us will still be watching boxing.

[p4pking]

The only way Wlad could make a top 10 P4P list is if he morphed into Ali overnight.

Although P4P is nothing but fun, too many people compile their lists based solely on achievements made per division instead of putting emphasis on the SKILL of each fighter.

Here's Bernard Hopkins take on P4P - "You've got to understand that Ray Robinson was given the P4P title not because of his record, which included losses, but because of things he could do, he could adjust in the blink of an eye. He could box going back, he could box going forward, he could knock you out with a left hook, sideways, backwards, frontwards. To me, that's what it takes to be the best pound-for-pound fighter."

If you can't find 50 fighters better than Wlad.. surely something is wrong

Dead on. He can't be a top p4p guy because he isn't even close to one of the best fighters in the world, it has nothing to do with him being a HW or what he hasn't accomplished yet. Good point about people basing their lists on achievements PER division as well, I think people sort of subconciously feel they need to have a wide range of weight classes in their list. Calzaghe and Hopkins are the heaviest fighters I'd have top 10, and the only ones above WW currently.

[No Contest]

If he beats Thompson convincingly, he deserves some credit. Adding another title wouldn't hurt.

[OumaFan]

It would probably be easier if he was a smaller heavyweight that was considered the top guy in the division instead of a guy who has a (sometimes huge) size advantage over guys in his own division.

[Put Em' Up]

I don't think it really has to do with Wlads skills (at least I hope not because the guy can fight and other then his anytime chin he is dominate) it has to do more with the Heavyweight division being so weak.

If the division was stronger he would have made my list for sure.

[ICB]

Well it is hard considering the Heavyweight division is so weak at the moment, and there is no real fighter that stands out or has many fans or is exciting, to be honest his fight with Sultan was probably one of the worst Heavyweight title fights i've ever seen, it was basically glorified sparring match, im not doubting Wlad's skill but he hasn't erased my mind of those other bad losses with two borefest's with Brewster, Sultan. And basically that was Wlad's time to shine and he rarely has shined in major big fights, so that also goes against him, He could have made big statement Koing Sultan.

He basically needs to unify and try and look impressive while doing it. Im all for doing what you have to do to win, but when your supposed to be the best Heavyweight in the world. You need to start making big statements so people will take interest and then fans will rate him higher in P4P lists. Right now he is round about ranked 16 on my P4P list maybe a tad lower. And until he starts making big statements and unfying thats where he stays as far as im concerned.

[piye]

The question to ask is if Wlad was a welterweight slightly shorter but had the same skills we he be a top contender? No
If Wlad was a super middle slighlty shorter lighter in weight same skills would he be a contender? No
If Haye was a Lightweight with his skill set ould he be a contender? No

I could go on he is a big oaf who is better than a bunch of sub par heavyweights! I think Tony Thompson has agreat chance against him! I know you lot won't agree but Tony Thompson is a Tall rangy akward south paw who Wlad won't have a height or reach advantage other he also has a decent Jaw

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His only loss was early in his career since then he has developed greatly!!

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Global ID 7035suspensionsreport sexmalebirth date1976-03-25age 32manager/agentregisterdivisionheavyweightrating1 / 1143nationality Ukraine aliasSteelhammer / Dr.residenceKiev, Ukrainebirth placeSemipalatinsk, Kazakhstanstanceorthodoxheight6′ 6½″reach81“US ID NV046089won 50 (KO 44) + lost 3 (KO 3) + drawn 0 = 53

Wlad actually has a shorter reach; although he has a 1 and a half inch height advantage this is a very even match more so than people think and I smell an upset!

So let's not mention Mr Steel Hammer and P4P in the same sentence.

[Wayne]

What is with this beat Haye business? Is Haye a proven entity at HW? For Wlad to be on a P4P list he needs to keep doing what he's doing. Tony Thompson, an actual threat, is a good start. If Wlad beats all the title holders and then chops down all the top contenders he can make a case for himself.

Haye is really the only exciting new HW that's being discussed right now, and if by my plan he has beat Thompson (A respectable American HW), then the winner of Valuev/Chagaev (To unify again), and then Haye (A respectable UK HW who by that time should have a couple of good names and maybe a minor strap by then) Not much else he can do at HW I could give him respect for that.

Again, how is Haye an exciting HW when he's only fought there once and against limited competition. That's like calling Calzaghe an exciting LHW before the Hopkins fight. Boy, that Pacquiao, he's an exciting lightweight. That Paul Williams is really tearin' 'em up at Super Welterweight. Let's see Haye's big schwantz first before we start slobbin' the knob, shall we?

[Wayne]

Some of you guys judge P4P a little too harshly. Of course Wlad can make the list. Just like you could say Wlad wouldn't be as good with the same skill set at a lower weight class, the same could be said if you were to put Pacquiao at HW. Pac can't necessarily take those bigger punches and wouldn't necessarily be able to carry the extra 70+ lbs successfully. That comparison is just about as fair as throwing Wlad in the ring with Pac (and take a wild guess who would win). The criteria changes depending on the class. We don't look for HWs to be the fastest guys in boxing just like we don't look for bantamweights to be the biggest punchers. What Wlad is doing right now should earn him a spot on any current P4P list. Not necessarily all-time because there are so many great heavyweights who would probably beat him, but judged against active fighters Wlad is either on or around the corner from the list. Just stop it already.

[Wayne]

Really what making a P4P list does is force you to take 10 different kinds of fruit and rank them by which tastes best. Some guys are going to have a lot of apples, some will have a lot of oranges, but there are other fruits to be considered that may not be as sweet, but sweetness isn't the only factor. That's why I don't have a P4P list. I'm not aware enough of the fighters below 130 to put a SMW above them. I know the guys I like and I leave it at that. I have an idea of guys who should be on a P4P list, but I know if I made one I'd have to cut most of them because there would be way more than ten.

[Fenster]

The only way Wlad could make a top 10 P4P list is if he morphed into Ali overnight.

Although P4P is nothing but fun, too many people compile their lists based solely on achievements made per division instead of putting emphasis on the SKILL of each fighter.

Here's Bernard Hopkins take on P4P - "You've got to understand that Ray Robinson was given the P4P title not because of his record, which included losses, but because of things he could do, he could adjust in the blink of an eye. He could box going back, he could box going forward, he could knock you out with a left hook, sideways, backwards, frontwards. To me, that's what it takes to be the best pound-for-pound fighter."

If you can't find 50 fighters better than Wlad.. surely something is wrong

Dead on. He can't be a top p4p guy because he isn't even close to one of the best fighters in the world, it has nothing to do with him being a HW or what he hasn't accomplished yet. Good point about people basing their lists on achievements PER division as well, I think people sort of subconciously feel they need to have a wide range of weight classes in their list. Calzaghe and Hopkins are the heaviest fighters I'd have top 10, and the only ones above WW currently.

yeah, maybe.

I don't necessarily think the big guys shouldn't be on the list.

But Wlad is an average heavyweight compared with the great/good heavies of the past. Just because he's recognised as top man in his division doesn't make him a great fighter. And there's easily 10 great/good fighters to currently place in front of him when you encompass all weight classes.

[Fenster]

Some of you guys judge P4P a little too harshly. Of course Wlad can make the list. Just like you could say Wlad wouldn't be as good with the same skill set at a lower weight class, the same could be said if you were to put Pacquiao at HW. Pac can't necessarily take those bigger punches and wouldn't necessarily be able to carry the extra 70+ lbs successfully. That comparison is just about as fair as throwing Wlad in the ring with Pac (and take a wild guess who would win). The criteria changes depending on the class. We don't look for HWs to be the fastest guys in boxing just like we don't look for bantamweights to be the biggest punchers. What Wlad is doing right now should earn him a spot on any current P4P list. Not necessarily all-time because there are so many great heavyweights who would probably beat him, but judged against active fighters Wlad is either on or around the corner from the list. Just stop it already.

Obviously.. in a real fight Wlad would KILL Pac.

But the idea of P4P is - fantasy.

Pac is a tremendous puncher for his weight-class. So.. In a mythical match-up Pacs power would be the equal of Wlads (maybe even more powerful).

Pac would destroy that china-chin inside 1 round.

Now, if you were discussing a mythical match between Pac and a prime Tyson - it would be a whole different story

[Wayne]

But that's still assuming Pac could take a HW punch and could lug around that extra weight. If you make adjustments for that, then perhaps comparable adjustments could be made for Klitschko to be a force at 130. At 110 pounds lighter he could be a great deal faster. Judge him for who he is where he is not for what other fighters are in their classes.