? D`La Hoya vs Cotto ?...........

[donnydarkoIRL]

I think if De la Hoya does ask Cotto for a fight it just proves the theory that he's only in boxing for the money.

I know Oscar was a good fighter, but let it go down in his hall of fmae record, Oscar was and is a greedy money hungry bully.

Well first off, EVERY fighter is in it for the money, at least primarily.. You seem to caught up in the idea that to box is for the glory, and not to make a living. It's very pretentious imo. But secondly, if Oscar was in it ONLY for the money, he wouldn't fight at all. That should be painfully obvious, he is nearing billionaire status and has no financial worries in sight, he can rely on his promotional company doing well for a long time. Any payday he makes is insignifigant to his total earnings at this point. Having said that, he, like any world class boxer, is still looking for the highest possible earnings in a fight. If he want's Cotto, then good for him, it takes two to make a fight and it shows he is still hungry if you ask me.

Its pretentious to believe that our sport is more than a business where the participants merely seek the most commercial names so as to make profit from the fans?
That goes against everything I train for.

Oscar's business is funded by his boxing earnings and his status in the sport. Is it good for him in business to go out on a loss?

Once again, why Cotto? Ids there no man his own size he could fight?
Over the past years, Oscar has raked in money, through manipulating fighters to come up in weight to fight him. Whats the issue with competing as an actual Light Middleweight against Light Middleweights?

At the end of the day Oscar is a fighter I respect for his early ring exploits, but at this stage he's merely motivated by greed.

[ICB]

I think if De la Hoya does ask Cotto for a fight it just proves the theory that he's only in boxing for the money.

I know Oscar was a good fighter, but let it go down in his hall of fmae record, Oscar was and is a greedy money hungry bully.

Doesn't it prove the opposite ? That he still wants to fight the best and wants a shot at great(er)ness ?

Don't really understand why that woudl make him money hungry.. if he wants money he can fight a no name and pull in millions anyway

Oscar is a Light Middlewight.
JHe has to get down to that weight.

He hasn't fought a light middleweight or a man equal his size since Hopkins. Each fight since he's made the opponent come up to facilitate himself.

This comment and your last comment makes no sense to me at all, first off how the hell was ODLH equal in size to Hopkins ?? ODLH was way out of his comfortable weight at Middleweight and Hopkins is naturally much bigger man than ODLH. Secondly how does ODLH wanting to fight Cotto prove ODLH is a money hungry bully ?? majority of people think Cotto would beat ODLH making ODLH the underdog. So doesn't that take bottle from ODLH wanting to take on a dangerous opponent like Cotto at this stage in his career ?? Thirdly what fighter would you want ODLH to fight at Light Middleweight that appeals to you, more than a Cotto vs ODLH fight ??

[donnydarkoIRL]

This comment and your last comment makes no sense to me at all, first off how the hell was ODLH equal in size to Hopkins ?? ODLH was way out of his comfortable weight at Middleweight and Hopkins is naturally much bigger man than ODLH. Secondly how does ODLH wanting to fight Cotto prove ODLH is a money hungry bully ?? majority of people think Cotto would beat ODLH making ODLH the underdog. So doesn't that take bottle from ODLH wanting to take on a dangerous opponent like Cotto at this stage in his career ?? Thirdly what fighter would you want ODLH to fight at Light Middleweight that appeals to you, more than a Cotto vs ODLH fight ??

Once again you come up with something I never said.

I never claimed or stated that De la Hoya is equal in size to Bernard Hopkins. I may have alluded that Oscar is of a more similar build to a middleweight than the Welters and Light Welters he is calling out, but I never claimed he was equal in size to Bernard Hopkins.

Oscar claimed last year he was the Junior Middleweight Champion of the world. A title that he won having dropped back down from Middleweight. Do you find it strange that Oscar has not faced an opponent that was previously active at 154 since 2003 when he faced Shane Mosely?
Why not fight a Light Middleweight rather than pick on smaller me.
For me a bully is someone who utilises their natural physical advantage to pick on opponents of a lesser physical size and obtaining an advantage befor training ever begins. Is this not what Oscar is doing?

Any fight at 154 appeals to me more than Cotto/DLH. The Cotto DLH fight has no relevance. If DLH wins is he Welter Champion, despite having not competed against anyone in that weight class this decade? (?)
The only relevance this has is to Oscars pockets.

[ICB]

This comment and your last comment makes no sense to me at all, first off how the hell was ODLH equal in size to Hopkins ?? ODLH was way out of his comfortable weight at Middleweight and Hopkins is naturally much bigger man than ODLH. Secondly how does ODLH wanting to fight Cotto prove ODLH is a money hungry bully ?? majority of people think Cotto would beat ODLH making ODLH the underdog. So doesn't that take bottle from ODLH wanting to take on a dangerous opponent like Cotto at this stage in his career ?? Thirdly what fighter would you want ODLH to fight at Light Middleweight that appeals to you, more than a Cotto vs ODLH fight ??

Once again you come up with something I never said.

I never claimed or stated that De la Hoya is equal in size to Bernard Hopkins. I may have alluded that Oscar is of a more similar build to a middleweight than the Welters and Light Welters he is calling out, but I never claimed he was equal in size to Bernard Hopkins.

Oscar claimed last year he was the Junior Middleweight Champion of the world. A title that he won having dropped back down from Middleweight. Do you find it strange that Oscar has not faced an opponent that was previously active at 154 since 2003 when he faced Shane Mosely?
Why not fight a Light Middleweight rather than pick on smaller me.
For me a bully is someone who utilises their natural physical advantage to pick on opponents of a lesser physical size and obtaining an advantage befor training ever begins. Is this not what Oscar is doing?

Any fight at 154 appeals to me more than Cotto/DLH. The Cotto DLH fight has no relevance. If DLH wins is he Welter Champion, despite having not competed against anyone in that weight class this decade? (?)
The only relevance this has is to Oscars pockets.

Well you did say "Equal his size" i don't really know how i could have took that any other way. ODLH has moved up all the way up from Super Featherweight fighting bigger men than himself, so i think its wrong to call him a bully. I don't think its wrong he hasn't fought a Light Middleweight since 2003, for number of reasons, 1 he has been semi retired. 2 he was fighting Middleweight's so i think we can let him off there can't we ?? 3 there hasn't been a really appealing name at Jr Middleweight.

Like i said to you before who do you expect ODLH to fight at Jr Middleweight ?? of course ODLH is fighting for money but so do all boxers, but there isn't a single fight at Jr Middleweight that appeals to me at all. ODLH has probably only 2 fights left in him so he wants to go out on a high, so he is looking for the biggest names. Which Jr Middleweight division just doesn't have, i can't believe that your having a go at ODLH for wanting to fight the most appealing names.

[Fenster]

Barring moving back up to middleweight, to fight Pavlik (ridiculous), challenging a young prime Cotto is about as DANGEROUS a fight as Oscar could take.

It would be a tremendous show of his LOVE for boxing (he certainly doesn't need to fight) to undertake that type of challenge.

Forget the MONEY angle, every fight Oscar has MEGA-money is attached, naturally the bigger the star in the opposite corner the more money involved.

[Put Em' Up]

This comment and your last comment makes no sense to me at all, first off how the hell was ODLH equal in size to Hopkins ?? ODLH was way out of his comfortable weight at Middleweight and Hopkins is naturally much bigger man than ODLH. Secondly how does ODLH wanting to fight Cotto prove ODLH is a money hungry bully ?? majority of people think Cotto would beat ODLH making ODLH the underdog. So doesn't that take bottle from ODLH wanting to take on a dangerous opponent like Cotto at this stage in his career ?? Thirdly what fighter would you want ODLH to fight at Light Middleweight that appeals to you, more than a Cotto vs ODLH fight ??

Once again you come up with something I never said.

I never claimed or stated that De la Hoya is equal in size to Bernard Hopkins. I may have alluded that Oscar is of a more similar build to a middleweight than the Welters and Light Welters he is calling out, but I never claimed he was equal in size to Bernard Hopkins.

Oscar claimed last year he was the Junior Middleweight Champion of the world. A title that he won having dropped back down from Middleweight. Do you find it strange that Oscar has not faced an opponent that was previously active at 154 since 2003 when he faced Shane Mosely?
Why not fight a Light Middleweight rather than pick on smaller me.
For me a bully is someone who utilises their natural physical advantage to pick on opponents of a lesser physical size and obtaining an advantage befor training ever begins. Is this not what Oscar is doing?

Any fight at 154 appeals to me more than Cotto/DLH. The Cotto DLH fight has no relevance. If DLH wins is he Welter Champion, despite having not competed against anyone in that weight class this decade? (?)
The only relevance this has is to Oscars pockets.

Well you did say "Equal his size" i don't really know how i could have took that any other way. ODLH has moved up all the way up from Super Featherweight fighting bigger men than himself, so i think its wrong to call him a bully. I don't think its wrong he hasn't fought a Light Middleweight since 2003, for number of reasons, 1 he has been semi retired. 2 he was fighting Middleweight's so i think we can let him off there can't we ?? 3 there hasn't been a really appealing name at Jr Middleweight.

Like i said to you before who do you expect ODLH to fight at Jr Middleweight ?? of course ODLH is fighting for money but so do all boxers, but there isn't a single fight at Jr Middleweight that appeals to me at all. ODLH has probably only 2 fights left in him so he wants to go out on a high, so he is looking for the biggest names. Which Jr Middleweight division just doesn't have, i can't believe that your having a go at ODLH for wanting to fight the most appealing names.

In all fairness to the moving up from Super Featherweight Oscar was 19 at that time. He was not yet fully grown. Yes he fought in a grown mans sport but the body does not stop maturing until about 24 or 25 years old before it sets in at its full size potential. He was also an inch shorter then.

This si why we rarely see fighters stay in the weight class they started in.

Pacquiao started at 110lbs. Less I think but he was also 17 at that time. Now he is 20+lbs heavier. Having fully matured

Since he has filled out girth wise and grown so you can not really count the Super Featherweight time as moving up. Now if he moved up at 27 or so that would be mighty impressive. In truth you would only count his time moving up from about 140lbs.

[ICB]

Once again you come up with something I never said.

I never claimed or stated that De la Hoya is equal in size to Bernard Hopkins. I may have alluded that Oscar is of a more similar build to a middleweight than the Welters and Light Welters he is calling out, but I never claimed he was equal in size to Bernard Hopkins.

Oscar claimed last year he was the Junior Middleweight Champion of the world. A title that he won having dropped back down from Middleweight. Do you find it strange that Oscar has not faced an opponent that was previously active at 154 since 2003 when he faced Shane Mosely?
Why not fight a Light Middleweight rather than pick on smaller me.
For me a bully is someone who utilises their natural physical advantage to pick on opponents of a lesser physical size and obtaining an advantage befor training ever begins. Is this not what Oscar is doing?

Any fight at 154 appeals to me more than Cotto/DLH. The Cotto DLH fight has no relevance. If DLH wins is he Welter Champion, despite having not competed against anyone in that weight class this decade? (?)
The only relevance this has is to Oscars pockets.

Well you did say "Equal his size" i don't really know how i could have took that any other way. ODLH has moved up all the way up from Super Featherweight fighting bigger men than himself, so i think its wrong to call him a bully. I don't think its wrong he hasn't fought a Light Middleweight since 2003, for number of reasons, 1 he has been semi retired. 2 he was fighting Middleweight's so i think we can let him off there can't we ?? 3 there hasn't been a really appealing name at Jr Middleweight.

Like i said to you before who do you expect ODLH to fight at Jr Middleweight ?? of course ODLH is fighting for money but so do all boxers, but there isn't a single fight at Jr Middleweight that appeals to me at all. ODLH has probably only 2 fights left in him so he wants to go out on a high, so he is looking for the biggest names. Which Jr Middleweight division just doesn't have, i can't believe that your having a go at ODLH for wanting to fight the most appealing names.

In all fairness to the moving up from Super Featherweight Oscar was 19 at that time. He was not yet fully grown. Yes he fought in a grown mans sport but the body does not stop maturing until about 24 or 25 years old before it sets in at its full size potential. He was also an inch shorter then.

This si why we rarely see fighters stay in the weight class they started in.

Pacquiao started at 110lbs. Less I think but he was also 17 at that time. Now he is 20+lbs heavier. Having fully matured

Since he has filled out girth wise and grown so you can not really count the Super Featherweight time as moving up. Now if he moved up at 27 or so that would be mighty impressive. In truth you would only count his time moving up from about 140lbs.

Your missing the point thats not what i was implying, i was trying to explain how ODLH has moved through the weight classes fighting bigger men than himself, so i just think its wrong to call him a bully.

Also good post Fenster some rep coming your way.

[Put Em' Up]

Well you did say "Equal his size" i don't really know how i could have took that any other way. ODLH has moved up all the way up from Super Featherweight fighting bigger men than himself, so i think its wrong to call him a bully. I don't think its wrong he hasn't fought a Light Middleweight since 2003, for number of reasons, 1 he has been semi retired. 2 he was fighting Middleweight's so i think we can let him off there can't we ?? 3 there hasn't been a really appealing name at Jr Middleweight.

Like i said to you before who do you expect ODLH to fight at Jr Middleweight ?? of course ODLH is fighting for money but so do all boxers, but there isn't a single fight at Jr Middleweight that appeals to me at all. ODLH has probably only 2 fights left in him so he wants to go out on a high, so he is looking for the biggest names. Which Jr Middleweight division just doesn't have, i can't believe that your having a go at ODLH for wanting to fight the most appealing names.

In all fairness to the moving up from Super Featherweight Oscar was 19 at that time. He was not yet fully grown. Yes he fought in a grown mans sport but the body does not stop maturing until about 24 or 25 years old before it sets in at its full size potential. He was also an inch shorter then.

This si why we rarely see fighters stay in the weight class they started in.

Pacquiao started at 110lbs. Less I think but he was also 17 at that time. Now he is 20+lbs heavier. Having fully matured

Since he has filled out girth wise and grown so you can not really count the Super Featherweight time as moving up. Now if he moved up at 27 or so that would be mighty impressive. In truth you would only count his time moving up from about 140lbs.

Your missing the point thats not what i was implying, i was trying to explain how ODLH has moved through the weight classes fighting bigger men than himself, so i just think its wrong to call him a bully.

Also good post Fenster some rep coming your way.

\Who has Oscar really fought bigger then him? Except for guys at MW. I mean that in a sincere way not to start any type of trouble.

Oscar is 5'10 1/2" about an inch taller then when he started out so he would have been 5' 9 1/2" then.

Jimmy Bredahl 5'8" DLH wins WBO title.

Jorge Paez 5'5", John John Molina 5'7" , Jessie James Leija 5'5" Rafael Ruelas 5'11" (By this time DLH had grown into his frame more and for the fight he was listed at 5' 10") , Julio Cesar Chavez 5' 7 1/2", Pernell Whitiker 5'6", Miguel Angel Gonzalez 5'8", Felix Trinidad and Wilfredo Rivera both 5'11".

Gatti, Mosley all smaller then Oscar. Vargas shorter but stockier. Mayweather and Forbes both smaller. Sturm had him by an inch both weighed the same. Hopkins is the only opponent he ever faced with a visible and genuine size difference though they weighed the same.

Also during Oscars SFW,LW years he held the reach advantage 90% of the time.

Sorry ICB but Oscar did not fight bigger men those years he was always a big man for those division. The tale of the tape does not lie

[Macho]

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[Put Em' Up]

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[donnydarkoIRL]

Well you did say "Equal his size" i don't really know how i could have took that any other way. ODLH has moved up all the way up from Super Featherweight fighting bigger men than himself, so i think its wrong to call him a bully. I don't think its wrong he hasn't fought a Light Middleweight since 2003, for number of reasons, 1 he has been semi retired. 2 he was fighting Middleweight's so i think we can let him off there can't we ?? 3 there hasn't been a really appealing name at Jr Middleweight.

Like i said to you before who do you expect ODLH to fight at Jr Middleweight ?? of course ODLH is fighting for money but so do all boxers, but there isn't a single fight at Jr Middleweight that appeals to me at all. ODLH has probably only 2 fights left in him so he wants to go out on a high, so he is looking for the biggest names. Which Jr Middleweight division just doesn't have, i can't believe that your having a go at ODLH for wanting to fight the most appealing names.

Well I do believe that Hopkins was a lot nearer in size to De la Hoya than Forbes is

When Oscar embarked on his professional career he was 19, he had a lot of growing up and filling out to do and as he did he moved up, he never moved up and fought someone larger apart from the Sturm and Hopkins fights, which were both actual losses.
1)"Semi retired"
This is not a legitimate excuse. Does a semi retired doctor only half treat ill people?
As long as a boxer remains in the sport they should apply themselves properly.

2)He was beaten by Middleweights and despite calling himself the WBC 154 Chamoion last year has fought no 154 men??

3)Winky Wright.

Oscar is selecting all smaller fighters. He's called out Jatton, from 140 (granted he weighed 143 for his last fight,) Forbes, beaten at both 140 and 130. Mayorga was coming up from 147, Floyd was coming up from 147, he had plenty of offers from guys at 154.....Spinks, Forrest, Mora....hey Winky's mentioned him for years!!!

Oscar as far as I'm concerned is a bully until he faces a man his own size again. But he probably will not as he's past his prime and I think lacks confidence in his reduced physical strength and speed.

[Chino]

I think if De la Hoya does ask Cotto for a fight it just proves the theory that he's only in boxing for the money.

I know Oscar was a good fighter, but let it go down in his hall of fmae record, Oscar was and is a greedy money hungry bully.

Well first off, EVERY fighter is in it for the money, at least primarily.. You seem to caught up in the idea that to box is for the glory, and not to make a living. It's very pretentious imo. But secondly, if Oscar was in it ONLY for the money, he wouldn't fight at all. That should be painfully obvious, he is nearing billionaire status and has no financial worries in sight, he can rely on his promotional company doing well for a long time. Any payday he makes is insignifigant to his total earnings at this point. Having said that, he, like any world class boxer, is still looking for the highest possible earnings in a fight. If he want's Cotto, then good for him, it takes two to make a fight and it shows he is still hungry if you ask me.

Alfonso Gomez was a man in the same weight division ranked in the top ten by the sanctioning body in which Miguel holds a world title in. Making it a legit match regardless of Gomez skills.

Would be a good match to have ODLH face Sergio Martinez, Roman Karmazin, Sergei Dzindziruk, Joachim Alcine, or Alex Bunema? They are tanked in the top ten afterall. It's not like Alfonso had an impressive resume or score when he faced Cotto. Was there anybody out there who really thought Alfonso Gomez was a complete threat for Cotto?
If people dislike ODLH so much and think he has nothing to offer in the ring then wouldn't it be great to see him get in the ring with Cotto and get totally destroyed? Something lots of people in here would be celebrating. All of a sudden, people complain about this fight taking place.

It is like being the toughest kid in the 12th grade because you beat up all the 7th grade kids over at the middle school.

Good point.

The whole everyone deserves one is crap. If DLH fought a natural 154lb fighter ranked 200th and had lost his last 10 by KO I would have given him more respect.

Then I guess we CAN give him credit for having such a resume as his.