How to crack a shelled opponent.

[Luke Hughesy]

Taller blokes you hit em just above the belt, hit them where they don't block, hit them in the ribs and they'll defend, so punch them in the stomach, eventually they'll coil over and you can hit em in the top of the head.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Cool, Sparring last night I found head movement so helpful, I've been really working on it and it helped. In the first three rounds I won, actually by punching him in the face mostly, but he really layed down the punishment in the last two and I was hurt at the finish, I need to build stamina even more!!!

But I'm dead happy, I really controlled him in the early going and thats difficult against a tall guy.

[Andre]

Thats pretty much my style on the inside, but for this guy my head reaches his chest.

You could rip out all his chest hair with your teeth on a break then

[donnydarkoIRL]

Thats pretty much my style on the inside, but for this guy my head reaches his chest.

You could rip out all his chest hair with your teeth on a break then

Ha Ha not a bad idea Andre!

[Chris Nagel]

Does anyone here punch their opponent in the chest? Not so much as a target but just to take a punch away from them.

[southpawed]

Does anyone here punch their opponent in the chest? Not so much as a target but just to take a punch away from them.

i've been really pondering the punch to the chest lately. It seems like a good area to place your shot especially if your opponent is being damn sneaky and using lots of head movement. So make em think you're going for a straight to the head and slug em in the chest. I've really trying to think of ways to set it up.

what exactly do you mean by taking a punch away though chris?

i started this thread btw, lol walker smith jr was my first acct and i forgot its pw

I was thinking of reviving this exact thread though because i still havent got down all the tricks to get past the guard yet, but i've been doing better at going with the hook to the body when i see my oppt shelled up.

So new discussion is quite welcome.

p.s. shit reading back on this thread, i didnt realize how gold all of this info was. Really good stuff that just slipped my mind. Reading through everything, its like i learned all this new and valuable information again -_-' Maybe it could be thrown in the useful posts when all is said and done.

[Chris Nagel]

Walker Smith Jr.? I wondered where you went. You can talk to Saddo about your screen name and he could probably help you out.

Anyways a stiff jab to their chest, specifically against a southpaw that fights with their lead hand low (ala Zab Judah) can take away their right hook. Their shoulder simply can't move forward as long as it's there. I think that Scrap also mentioned something similar. It's tricky though, you gotta wait for them to show you the counter hook and then good luck. Alternatively I read in a boxing manual that you can pin an opponent's low lead arm to their side, or push against their shoulder, or bicep to take their punch away but's all dangerous business.

Taking an 'Andre' perspective, I guess another thing you can do is jab at their chest, shoulder or glove and see if you can draw a reaction and go from there. Of course it all has to be worked out in sparring.

By the way, it's nice to know you're still about. You outta spark some more discussions if something comes to mind.

[ICB]

Good posts everyone! Hey Andre, Jesse's tapes has some good techniques that would come in handy here.

Chris did you ever see what Frazier said about Marciano ?? he said that if Ali would of done the rope a dope vs Marciano, Marciano would of broke his arms

But that tactic is actually good for fighters like Winky Wright, hit him on the arms and shoulders, if you hit him in the right place you can even give him a dead arm, i never see this tactic used anymore.

I remember Joe Frazier mention that. I think part of the success of Ali of pulling it off against Foreman is in the way that Foreman threw his punches. It would have been a different story if Joe Louis was in the ring that night instead.

I don't think it would work on Wright, for one he's not going to stand still and let you use his arms like a punching bag. But if you have an opponent that just stands in front of you coving up, and if you have more than enough stamina, then by all means work on their arms at least until something better comes along. I see it as good way to wear someone down. Imagine if the "Hispanic causing Panic" Andrada had this in his arsenal.

Chris i remember a fight between Roy Jones Jr vs Eric Harding where Jones kept hitting his shoulder and arm over and over again that eventually Harding had to quit. Another tactic which i love to is hit the shoulder then surprise them with a left hook under the elbow, if you watch Ricky Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo he done the exact same thing to set up the body shot KO.

[Von Milash]

Although I still think my previous low blow suggestion is the most practical, you ca also show him angles and work the body.

you can also lull him open, invite counters, then catch him when he opens up.

[Salty]

Here's some more dirty boxing tips to help crack they shelled opponent. The one I liked the sound of if the punch to the hip, not as obvious as the groin shot but just as effective...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmtlw1N1TYQ

[Chris Nagel]

Although I still think my previous low blow suggestion is the most practical, you ca also show him angles and work the body.

you can also lull him open, invite counters, then catch him when he opens up.

Rough tactics can open a guy up, especially if they are inexperienced or not used to going up against that kind of adversity. Some fighters lose their composure if they feel that things are becoming unfair.

Have you seen the Sam Soloman vs Max Alexander on the Contender? Well it was frustrating enough going against a style like Soloman's, but he wasn't mentally prepared to handle the roughness that comes from Soloman. Soloman had that move where if you didn't tie him up, he'd break out of the weak clinch and drag a right uppercut right up your chest and into your chin. Max being the taller man tended to lean forward in a clinch which consequentally put his throat in the path of Sam's uppercut. That + an accidental headbut and more proved to be more than what Max could take. If he had trained at a place where he could spar with real professionals then maybe things would have turned out differently. This happens to a lot of fighters. You gotta be ready for unfair, no matter what sport you're playing.

Here's some more dirty boxing tips to help crack they shelled opponent. The one I liked the sound of if the punch to the hip, not as obvious as the groin shot but just as effective...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmtlw1N1TYQ

Good stuff, although I've seen it all. I did like the part where he talked about how to escape out of an armbar in a clinch. This reminds me, I have an old post spanning many pages on all dirty tricks that I've found that I took off the board a year ago. I'm considering editing it again and bringing it back up.

[Scrap]

Hit them with your knee on the inside of theirs gets a lovely reaction theyll have a look to see what happened youre in.

[:::PSL:::]

This is how to crack a shelled opponent...

[Trainer Monkey]

Does anyone here punch their opponent in the chest? Not so much as a target but just to take a punch away from them.

You throw a big looping hook to the back around the kidney as he's walking in. The ref wont call it if you only do it occasionally because you can squall "He was coming in,I was going for the body".
But it will certainly take some of the wind out of their sails if you do it
If you do it all the time the ref might call it, so watch your timing. Let the other guy set the shot up for you. Because if you instigate it,and do it repeatedly the ref,at the very least is going to warn you. But even if its only a warning in a tight fight,that may sway the judges. So like I said if your going to take that shot,let the other guy help you along.