WNF Thread Lacy vs. Mendoza

[JackSR51]

Jeff Lacy is King. Adam where you at? You back?

[Bomp]

amat as I started to read your comment I had to stop when I came across "I hope he's not stubborn and knows what to improve on"

I'm sorry man I know you a fan but at this point amat I don't think there's anything he can do to improve and I really mean that. I know your probably gonna get all analitical here but wasn't he suppose be new and improved since the Tsypko II fight?
He looks good for a round or two but never the whole way through.
I just feel that at this point he is who he is and he fights just the same (minor changes here and there but you still see the same plan. Which is landing the big bomb) way he fought yrs. back prior to the Joe fight.

Lacy vs. Miranda sounds and looks very interesting to me..
Lacy vs. Andrade
Lacy vs. Green
Lacy vs. Bika

You don't think he can sure up the defense? Or bring a jab back? He has used the cage type defense before but now he tries to lean away from punches and slip them instead of just blocking them coming forward. Check out the Pemberton fight and look how he blocked punches. There are a ton of things he can improve on, things he's had in the past. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, I was nervous about this because I'm not delusional and I know that Lacy is fighting past his best right now. Usually fighters get progressively better technically overtime but there body just fails them. Well Lacy is fighting like he is fighting Syd Vanderpool again thinking his raw power is going to win over instead of fighting like he did Reid where he used his jab to cover ground or like Pemberton where he tried to block punches up top.

There's no reason why he couldn't do those things anymore it just takes not being so stubborn.

Whether it's stubborness or he just can't do it.
I just feel he wont he might want to but his body and mind steer him another way. He's tried before and as I said he starts off good but just falls back into the same fight.
I just don't think he can do it, he's got too much fight in him to try and change it now.

I'm sure he is working on a lot of stuff in training, but when you get cracked you go back to what you've always done.

The come forward guys you listed will make for entertaining fights with Lacy, which is about the best we can probably hope for.

[JT Rock]

Come on guys lets be honest here a move up in weight will do NOTHING for Lacy if he doesn't sure up his fundamental defense. I learned one thing tonight and that's Lacy IS at the level of Mendoza and is not an elite fighter. Lacy is the absolute definition of a one-dimensional puncher which is great when your knocking guys out, but then what? If they outgun you, then what.

I had 95-95 tonight and I feel generous about that. Also Lacy looked pretty solid in the first round, but after that there was a noticable decrease in handspeed. Not impressed at all. Sorry JT.

I thought he looked lackluster and lethargic and his punch resistence was off... Lacy is known to have a granite chin and decent stamina.. I also think Mendoza got away with tons of fouls... I mean when has over hand karate chops ever been legal especially to the back of the head... I counted over 25 of them... Not to mention a 3 punch combo to Lacys nuts when he buzzed Epi.Then earlier Mendoza was clearly dropped with the ropes holding him up he ricoched off of Lacy then hit the ground and it was ruled a slip and Mendoza was cleary warned over 6x for holding... Not saying these things would have made Lacy look better but it would have a tall order for anyone to handle..

Lacy's defense wasnt as bad as the past, he was slipping punches and moving his head.. Lacy got caught on the inside because he wasnt working as hard as he usually does... I think he is weight drained and suited for 175 before he figures out a permanent plan.. He has been knocked down to a B fighter these days which seem weird because he only has one loss on his record, but none the less if he continues like this he will get brutally taken out by someone who is a sharper puncher(Jermain Taylor)

2 things are for sure

1) he looked sharper and punched with more conviction in this fight then he did against Manferdo

2)This guy is a warrior and literally willed his way to a victory last nite

[killersheep]

Come on guys lets be honest here a move up in weight will do NOTHING for Lacy if he doesn't sure up his fundamental defense. I learned one thing tonight and that's Lacy IS at the level of Mendoza and is not an elite fighter. Lacy is the absolute definition of a one-dimensional puncher which is great when your knocking guys out, but then what? If they outgun you, then what.

I had 95-95 tonight and I feel generous about that. Also Lacy looked pretty solid in the first round, but after that there was a noticable decrease in handspeed. Not impressed at all. Sorry JT.

I thought he looked lackluster and lethargic and his punch resistence was off... Lacy is known to have a granite chin and decent stamina.. I also think Mendoza got away with tons of fouls... I mean when has over hand karate chops ever been legal especially to the back of the head... I counted over 25 of them... Not to mention a 3 punch combo to Lacys nuts when he buzzed Epi.Then earlier Mendoza was clearly dropped with the ropes holding him up he ricoched off of Lacy then hit the ground and it was ruled a slip and Mendoza was cleary warned over 6x for holding... Not saying these things would have made Lacy look better but it would have a tall order for anyone to handle..

Lacy's defense wasnt as bad as the past, he was slipping punches and moving his head.. Lacy got caught on the inside because he wasnt working as hard as he usually does... I think he is weight drained and suited for 175 before he figures out a permanent plan.. He has been knocked down to a B fighter these days which seem weird because he only has one loss on his record, but none the less if he continues like this he will get brutally taken out by someone who is a sharper puncher(Jermain Taylor)

2 things are for sure

1) he looked sharper and punched with more conviction in this fight then he did against Manferdo

2)This guy is a warrior and literally willed his way to a victory last nite

The question I want to ask you JT is do you think Lacy would have survived if he didn't tackle Mendoza, that was intentional no doubt, he said so himself in the post fight interview. And you can make all the excuses you want to for Lacy, but there is one thing elite fighters do that I have never seen Lacy do and that is ADAPT. Was it a dirty fight absolutely, but no more dirty than Bika vs Calzaghe and Calzaghe adjusted to dominate Bika. No more dirty than Cotto vs. Urkal but Cotto adjusted to dominate Oktay. Lacy has heart I won't take that away from him, but he doesn't have the skill to be considered elite.

[leftylee]

I ain't seen the fight, but it seems Lacy done shit and shouldn't have got the win. Same as in the Tsypko fight. Seems Lacy is done if he can only manage MD against Mendoza. Jeff can have the warrior like attitiude all year round, but if he ain't got the skills, it don't matter. If he fights JT he will get purely smoked.

[JT Rock]

Come on guys lets be honest here a move up in weight will do NOTHING for Lacy if he doesn't sure up his fundamental defense. I learned one thing tonight and that's Lacy IS at the level of Mendoza and is not an elite fighter. Lacy is the absolute definition of a one-dimensional puncher which is great when your knocking guys out, but then what? If they outgun you, then what.

I had 95-95 tonight and I feel generous about that. Also Lacy looked pretty solid in the first round, but after that there was a noticable decrease in handspeed. Not impressed at all. Sorry JT.

I thought he looked lackluster and lethargic and his punch resistence was off... Lacy is known to have a granite chin and decent stamina.. I also think Mendoza got away with tons of fouls... I mean when has over hand karate chops ever been legal especially to the back of the head... I counted over 25 of them... Not to mention a 3 punch combo to Lacys nuts when he buzzed Epi.Then earlier Mendoza was clearly dropped with the ropes holding him up he ricoched off of Lacy then hit the ground and it was ruled a slip and Mendoza was cleary warned over 6x for holding... Not saying these things would have made Lacy look better but it would have a tall order for anyone to handle..

Lacy's defense wasnt as bad as the past, he was slipping punches and moving his head.. Lacy got caught on the inside because he wasnt working as hard as he usually does... I think he is weight drained and suited for 175 before he figures out a permanent plan.. He has been knocked down to a B fighter these days which seem weird because he only has one loss on his record, but none the less if he continues like this he will get brutally taken out by someone who is a sharper puncher(Jermain Taylor)

2 things are for sure

1) he looked sharper and punched with more conviction in this fight then he did against Manferdo

2)This guy is a warrior and literally willed his way to a victory last nite

The question I want to ask you JT is do you think Lacy would have survived if he didn't tackle Mendoza, that was intentional no doubt, he said so himself in the post fight interview. And you can make all the excuses you want to for Lacy, but there is one thing elite fighters do that I have never seen Lacy do and that is ADAPT. Was it a dirty fight absolutely, but no more dirty than Bika vs Calzaghe and Calzaghe adjusted to dominate Bika. No more dirty than Cotto vs. Urkal but Cotto adjusted to dominate Oktay. Lacy has heart I won't take that away from him, but he doesn't have the skill to be considered elite.

I'm sorry Greg maybe I missed something in my post but I dont see 1 excuse as a matter of fact if you looked at the bold letters you'll see my critisim and reality.. Just because I didnt call him shit dosent mean I made an excuse for him.... Not to mention the guy only has one loss on his record and didnt get a gift last night

[killersheep]

I thought he looked lackluster and lethargic and his punch resistence was off... Lacy is known to have a granite chin and decent stamina.. I also think Mendoza got away with tons of fouls... I mean when has over hand karate chops ever been legal especially to the back of the head... I counted over 25 of them... Not to mention a 3 punch combo to Lacys nuts when he buzzed Epi.Then earlier Mendoza was clearly dropped with the ropes holding him up he ricoched off of Lacy then hit the ground and it was ruled a slip and Mendoza was cleary warned over 6x for holding... Not saying these things would have made Lacy look better but it would have a tall order for anyone to handle..

Lacy's defense wasnt as bad as the past, he was slipping punches and moving his head.. Lacy got caught on the inside because he wasnt working as hard as he usually does... I think he is weight drained and suited for 175 before he figures out a permanent plan.. He has been knocked down to a B fighter these days which seem weird because he only has one loss on his record, but none the less if he continues like this he will get brutally taken out by someone who is a sharper puncher(Jermain Taylor)

2 things are for sure

1) he looked sharper and punched with more conviction in this fight then he did against Manferdo

2)This guy is a warrior and literally willed his way to a victory last nite

The question I want to ask you JT is do you think Lacy would have survived if he didn't tackle Mendoza, that was intentional no doubt, he said so himself in the post fight interview. And you can make all the excuses you want to for Lacy, but there is one thing elite fighters do that I have never seen Lacy do and that is ADAPT. Was it a dirty fight absolutely, but no more dirty than Bika vs Calzaghe and Calzaghe adjusted to dominate Bika. No more dirty than Cotto vs. Urkal but Cotto adjusted to dominate Oktay. Lacy has heart I won't take that away from him, but he doesn't have the skill to be considered elite.

I'm sorry Greg maybe I missed something in my post but I dont see 1 excuse as a matter of fact if you looked at the bold letters you'll see my critisim and reality.. Just because I didnt call him shit dosent mean I made an excuse for him.... Not to mention the guy only has one loss on his record and didnt get a gift last night

I didn't call him shit either he's just not (I don't think he has ever been) elite. Like I said you mentioned how dirty Mendoza was, which in reality is an excuse, elite fighters overcome dirty tactics to win convincingly Lacy was very fortunate to make it through rounds 2, 6 and 8. What was your scorecard? I had 95-95 (the same score I had for the Tsypko fight). So again I propose the question, If Lacy didn't tackle Mendoza do you think he would have survived that round? In my estimation Lacy should be
22-1-2

[Mar]

Jeff Lacy 23-1-0 (17 KOs)

vs

Epifanio Mendoza 28-5-1 (24 KOs)

at Morongo Casino Resort & Spa in Cabazon, CA
Lacy gets another chance to shine (or put on
another mediocre performance) against power
punching Epifanio Mendoza.

My opinion Lacy is going to look really bad and
get hurt against a guy that he should be destroying.
I wouldn't be surprised if he loses this one.

Damn talk about hitting the nail on the head......who'd you say is gonna win the cotto/margarito fight again lol ?!! (starting the car heading to place a big bet in vegas...).

[JT Rock]

The question I want to ask you JT is do you think Lacy would have survived if he didn't tackle Mendoza, that was intentional no doubt, he said so himself in the post fight interview. And you can make all the excuses you want to for Lacy, but there is one thing elite fighters do that I have never seen Lacy do and that is ADAPT. Was it a dirty fight absolutely, but no more dirty than Bika vs Calzaghe and Calzaghe adjusted to dominate Bika. No more dirty than Cotto vs. Urkal but Cotto adjusted to dominate Oktay. Lacy has heart I won't take that away from him, but he doesn't have the skill to be considered elite.

I'm sorry Greg maybe I missed something in my post but I dont see 1 excuse as a matter of fact if you looked at the bold letters you'll see my critisim and reality.. Just because I didnt call him shit dosent mean I made an excuse for him.... Not to mention the guy only has one loss on his record and didnt get a gift last night

I didn't call him shit either he's just not (I don't think he has ever been) elite. Like I said you mentioned how dirty Mendoza was, which in reality is an excuse, elite fighters overcome dirty tactics to win convincingly Lacy was very fortunate to make it through rounds 2, 6 and 8. What was your scorecard? I had 95-95 (the same score I had for the Tsypko fight). So again I propose the question, If Lacy didn't tackle Mendoza do you think he would have survived that round? In my estimation Lacy should be
22-1-2

I know you didnt buddy, I wasnt referring to you

Well like I said if Mendoza was clearly held up by the ropes bounced of Lacy and hit the ground and clearly dazed getting up was called a slip, would Mendoza have survived? I know you saw the 3 purposely placed low blows that were rapid fired, would Mendoza have survived... Lacy survived big deal happens all the time he hung on and survived, we can dissect alot of fights and play devils advocate, Lacy was way off and maybe will never look greta again, I dont know but it certainly looks that way

[Mar]

Most of the opinions i've read here are valid on both sides of the ball. There are a ton of questions surrounding lacy and this fight. The tackle, the low blows, the slips, outcome, etc....but we gotta look at scoreboard on this one (just my opinion fella's) for whatever reason and however it happend lacy won. Was it a positive win, does it help him or hurt him who knows..we'll see but one thing about the fight that i saw was that both guys had huge opportunities to keep it out of the judges hands and neither did, so once again don't blame the field goal kicker for missing a 50 yarder when you've had all game to keep it out of his extremly un-reliable hands. If left up to the judges anything is possible. Bottom line there were some questionable issues but i'm not upset with the outcome, i think it does hurt lacy even though it's a win, and left mendoza's rep exactly the same.

[killersheep]

Jeff Lacy 23-1-0 (17 KOs)

vs

Epifanio Mendoza 28-5-1 (24 KOs)

at Morongo Casino Resort & Spa in Cabazon, CA
Lacy gets another chance to shine (or put on
another mediocre performance) against power
punching Epifanio Mendoza.

My opinion Lacy is going to look really bad and
get hurt against a guy that he should be destroying.
I wouldn't be surprised if he loses this one.

Damn talk about hitting the nail on the head......who'd you say is gonna win the cotto/margarito fight again lol ?!! (starting the car heading to place a big bet in vegas...).

lol. I certainly don't feel as confident on Cotto/Margarito. Right now I'm gonna say this: Margarito is gonna start strong taking most of the early rounds, Cotto gets up off the canvas and switches to boxer mode and finishes string but It's too late in the fight and it looks like Margarito should still walk away with a close decision, but Cotto wins a UD with one scorecard being ridiculously favoring Cotto. 175 new threads are started on Saddoboxing dedicated to the topic, many by new members.

That's my guess not that confident though probably have a whole new opinion in an hour.

[boozeboxer]

Jeff Lacy 23-1-0 (17 KOs)

vs

Epifanio Mendoza 28-5-1 (24 KOs)

at Morongo Casino Resort & Spa in Cabazon, CA
Lacy gets another chance to shine (or put on
another mediocre performance) against power
punching Epifanio Mendoza.

My opinion Lacy is going to look really bad and
get hurt against a guy that he should be destroying.
I wouldn't be surprised if he loses this one.

Damn talk about hitting the nail on the head......who'd you say is gonna win the cotto/margarito fight again lol ?!! (starting the car heading to place a big bet in vegas...).

lol. I certainly don't feel as confident on Cotto/Margarito. Right now I'm gonna say this: Margarito is gonna start strong taking most of the early rounds, Cotto gets up off the canvas and switches to boxer mode and finishes string but It's too late in the fight and it looks like Margarito should still walk away with a close decision, but Cotto wins a UD with one scorecard being ridiculously favoring Cotto. 175 new threads are started on Saddoboxing dedicated to the topic, many by new members.

That's my guess not that confident though probably have a whole new opinion in an hour.

If Margarito starts by taking the early rounds there is no stopping him. IMO.

[killersheep]

Damn talk about hitting the nail on the head......who'd you say is gonna win the cotto/margarito fight again lol ?!! (starting the car heading to place a big bet in vegas...).

lol. I certainly don't feel as confident on Cotto/Margarito. Right now I'm gonna say this: Margarito is gonna start strong taking most of the early rounds, Cotto gets up off the canvas and switches to boxer mode and finishes string but It's too late in the fight and it looks like Margarito should still walk away with a close decision, but Cotto wins a UD with one scorecard being ridiculously favoring Cotto. 175 new threads are started on Saddoboxing dedicated to the topic, many by new members.

That's my guess not that confident though probably have a whole new opinion in an hour.

If Margarito starts by taking the early rounds there is no stopping him. IMO.

We'll have to see, I do think Cotto is a champ that can turn it around. I have a hard time imagining Margarito starting with a "feeling out" round, which may work as a disadvatage in the championship rounds.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I think Lacy peaked 2 years ago... I take nothing away from Mendoza though... Fun fight to watch even though Jeff is teatering on the edge of a cliff...


Funny thing is that Jeff shows flashes of VERY good skill... He has a decent Jab... he moves well... He has power in both hands... But he is just so technically flawed. It is as if the Calzaghe fight and all since then have taught him nothing.

I was rooting for him and can't wait to see him in action again as Mendoza has a good chin and most would have crumbled under many of Jeff's blows.

I just don't see him getting any better at 31. I could be wrong and hope I am for his sake... But I thik he's on a legit downslide...

[Myk_Myk]

I'm always late posting!

Anyway, I found it funny that Jeff "Left Tackle" Lacy admitted to tackling Mendoza to buy time. Why didn't he use all of that experience to finish Mendosa, and where was that experience when he was eating like 50 uppercuts?

I just don't see Lacy going anywhere but down.