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    Quote Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather View Post
    cotto didnt lose because he lacked concentration, he lost because he tried to fight a style he wasn't conditioned to handle. he's never had to use his legs that much. EVER. and he could have sparred all day with a focus on movement, but no way in hell was he all of sudden going to have world class movement in his first fight with that strategy. he needs to work on stamina or get better infighting defense. or he'll never be able to handle a fighter that can take a punch and pressure.
    What his fights with Abduallaev and Ndou he fought both fights off the ropes, and using movement, but he seemed to throw more punches in both those fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    cotto didnt lose because he lacked concentration, he lost because he tried to fight a style he wasn't conditioned to handle. he's never had to use his legs that much. EVER. and he could have sparred all day with a focus on movement, but no way in hell was he all of sudden going to have world class movement in his first fight with that strategy. he needs to work on stamina or get better infighting defense. or he'll never be able to handle a fighter that can take a punch and pressure.
    What his fights with Abduallaev and Ndou he fought both fights off the ropes, and using movement, but he seemed to throw more punches in both those fights.
    He could hurt Abduallaev and Ndou. He couldn't hurt Margarito

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    He never hurt Abduallaev, the fight was stopped because Abdullaev couldn't see out of his right eye after awhile.

    And he hurt Ndou once in the first round, but after that Ndou took everything Cotto landed pretty easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    He never hurt Abduallaev, the fight was stopped because Abdullaev couldn't see out of his right eye after awhile.

    And he hurt Ndou once in the first round, but after that Ndou took everything Cotto landed pretty easily.
    None of those guys put the pressure on him like Margarito. Not only that it was obvious they couldn't hurt him. It was obvious Margarito could hurt him in the 2nd round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
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    He never hurt Abduallaev, the fight was stopped because Abdullaev couldn't see out of his right eye after awhile.

    And he hurt Ndou once in the first round, but after that Ndou took everything Cotto landed pretty easily.
    None of those guys put the pressure on him like Margarito. Not only that it was obvious they couldn't hurt him. It was obvious Margarito could hurt him in the 2nd round.
    Plain & spoken....truth.That right to the side had him bent in the body & squatting on ropes around the 2 min mark in 2nd.Some are like "His chin was made of granite, OMG = win" but he never hit Cotto with his chin did he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
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    He never hurt Abduallaev, the fight was stopped because Abdullaev couldn't see out of his right eye after awhile.

    And he hurt Ndou once in the first round, but after that Ndou took everything Cotto landed pretty easily.
    None of those guys put the pressure on him like Margarito. Not only that it was obvious they couldn't hurt him. It was obvious Margarito could hurt him in the 2nd round.
    Watch those fights again, They were right there all the time, and Abdullaev could have hurt Cotto, but he used better defense then he did against Margarito. He was countering against Abduallaev and Ndou like he did early on against Tony, with combinations, and the led to him being able to go to the body, it led to him fighitng the way he wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    He never hurt Abduallaev, the fight was stopped because Abdullaev couldn't see out of his right eye after awhile.

    And he hurt Ndou once in the first round, but after that Ndou took everything Cotto landed pretty easily.
    None of those guys put the pressure on him like Margarito. Not only that it was obvious they couldn't hurt him. It was obvious Margarito could hurt him in the 2nd round.

    Watch those fights again, They were right there all the time,
    and Abdullaev could have hurt Cotto, but he used better defense then he did against Margarito. He was countering against Abduallaev and Ndou like he did early on against Tony, with combinations, and the led to him being able to go to the body, it led to him fighitng the way he wanted to.
    It's different when you have an elite fighter (Margarito) pressuring you instead of two B level fighters. Not mention the fact that Margarito was bigger and stronger. His pressure and punches take more out of you than Abduallaev and Ndou.

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    Strength only matters if there is a lot of physical contact like in the Hatton-Mayweather fight or the Holyfield-Tyson fight. Cotto hardly ever clinches which means strength is almost never a factor. If a guy can take a punch and is right in front of him it doesn't matter who it is, it is still the same pressure. As for the punches I give Margarito one thing, and that is that he throws more punches. Everyone I've ever talked to says Abduallaev punches harder than Cotto who hit harder than Margarito, you do the math. Also except for the fact that Margarito can walk through any fistic bombardment known to man, and he can throw more punches than any other man alive in 12 rounds he isn't anything more than C- fighter, both Ndou and Abdullaev(an olympian) have far better technique than Margarito, they are way faster, and Cotto was weight drained at 140.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    He never hurt Abduallaev, the fight was stopped because Abdullaev couldn't see out of his right eye after awhile.

    And he hurt Ndou once in the first round, but after that Ndou took everything Cotto landed pretty easily.
    None of those guys put the pressure on him like Margarito. Not only that it was obvious they couldn't hurt him. It was obvious Margarito could hurt him in the 2nd round.
    Watch those fights again, They were right there all the time, and Abdullaev could have hurt Cotto, but he used better defense then he did against Margarito. He was countering against Abduallaev and Ndou like he did early on against Tony, with combinations, and the led to him being able to go to the body, it led to him fighitng the way he wanted to.

    yeah but neither Abdullaev or Ndou could hurt him or impose their will on them. When Miguel was boxing he was being selective about it.

    Margarito MADE HIM go into retreat.

    If Miguel had stopped and tried to trade and even some of the times he tried to smother margarito's punches margarito threw uppercuts which hurt him.

    There's really nothing Cotto can do to win besides fight the first 5 rounds the entire fight but Margarito put a lot of work into the body punches so that when Cotto slowed down Margarito got him. He took all the game plans of Cotto and never had to switch to a plan B but Cotto switched his gameplan and Margarito kept negating it after time. Miguel needs someone he can walk down or impose his will on eventually and take them into deep waters but this time he was being taken into deep waters and he couldn't deal with it because he's never really been taken into deep waters by someone who could hurt him or that he couldnt truly impose his will on with an iron chin and power like margarito and not only that but that also went to the body on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    None of those guys put the pressure on him like Margarito. Not only that it was obvious they couldn't hurt him. It was obvious Margarito could hurt him in the 2nd round.
    Watch those fights again, They were right there all the time, and Abdullaev could have hurt Cotto, but he used better defense then he did against Margarito. He was countering against Abduallaev and Ndou like he did early on against Tony, with combinations, and the led to him being able to go to the body, it led to him fighitng the way he wanted to.

    yeah but neither Abdullaev or Ndou could hurt him or impose their will on them. When Miguel was boxing he was being selective about it.

    Margarito MADE HIM go into retreat.

    If Miguel had stopped and tried to trade and even some of the times he tried to smother margarito's punches margarito threw uppercuts which hurt him.

    There's really nothing Cotto can do to win besides fight the first 5 rounds the entire fight but Margarito put a lot of work into the body punches so that when Cotto slowed down Margarito got him. He took all the game plans of Cotto and never had to switch to a plan B but Cotto switched his gameplan and Margarito kept negating it after time. Miguel needs someone he can walk down or impose his will on eventually and take them into deep waters but this time he was being taken into deep waters and he couldn't deal with it because he's never really been taken into deep waters by someone who could hurt him or that he couldnt truly impose his will on with an iron chin and power like margarito and not only that but that also went to the body on him.
    When didCotto try to smother Margarito's punches? He never did. COtt wasn't able to walk down Ndou, Abduallaev, Mosley, etc. COtto didn't switch game plans because he was moving the whole fight. Switching game plans would have been coming forward. Cotto never tried to effectively smother Margarito. Watch how Duran did it against bigger fighters, watch how Hatton did it to Tszyu. Cotto never tried to do anything like that, he only started holdingi nthe 11th round and by then it was too late. Also I don't consider walking into shots off the ropes smothering and opponent, watch how Mayweather does it off the ropes, You still need to avoid the punches or else your just a sitting target,a nd Cotto abandoned his defense in the 10 and 11th round because he didn't have what it takes. Call it will, call it concentration. He isn't made out of the same stuff as the greats. Even guys who don't like getting hit like Roy Jones had to be KTFO before he ever submitted. I've seen fighters take way more punishment then Cotto did against MArgarito, and i've seen fighters give up with less punishment as well, but not the great ones.

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