Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer

[SweetPea]

umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can?

Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch

yeah right, when he was 10 years younger and at the peak of his career. sure oscar is still ppv king but you brought up manny's numbers fighting david diaz that's why i'm asking if anybody oscar included could turn in bigger ppv sales fighting against diaz.

Oscar-Diaz would have done at least twice as many PPV buys as pac-Diaz did. Maybe 3x more.

[KKisser]

Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch

yeah right, when he was 10 years younger and at the peak of his career. sure oscar is still ppv king but you brought up manny's numbers fighting david diaz that's why i'm asking if anybody oscar included could turn in bigger ppv sales fighting against diaz.

Oscar-Diaz would have done at least twice as many PPV buys as pac-Diaz did. Maybe 3x more.

that would have gotten 3x more flack than the proposed pac-dlh fight. nobody would buy that.

[amat]

Every fight Oscar is in gets flack from us hardcores it seems, I even hated the idea of PBF-Mayweather at first, yet it's not us who makes the PPV buys.

This is a joke, if Mayweather got a 70/30 split, then what makes anyone believe Manny should get anymore then that? In the mainstream press, the ESPN crowd, Mayweather has more of a name then Pacquiao anyways.

[SweetPea]

30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.

that would have gotten 3x more flack than the proposed pac-dlh fight. nobody would buy that.

If you're saying "nobody would buy that" about a fight involving Oscar De La Hoya, then I question how much attention you've been paying to PPV totals over the last 15 years or so. Oscar is the biggest non-heavyweight PPV draw in the history of boxing. He could fight Danny G and do more PPV buys than Pacquiao could against Marquez.

[XaduBoxer]

30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.

I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...

You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?

"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.

On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "

Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...

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[SweetPea]

"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.

Losing to Floyd didn't indicate that Oscar was on a steady decline. In fact, I think most people thought Floyd would win in more convincing fashion than he actually did. Oscar was very competitive in that fight, more competitive than most experts thought he would be.

More importantly, Oscar's popularity (which is what effects purse splits) is not in decline. Oscar-Floyd broke all records, and then Oscar sold out a soccer stadium against a no-name in Forbes. And because this is being billed as Oscar's last fight, he will draw a huge audience again.

On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "

And how does this make Pacquiao any different than Floyd at the time of the Oscar fight last year? Floyd had risen thru 4 weight classes and was considered the #1 PFP fighter in the world. You label Pacquiao as the "most exciting boxer," yet that exciting style has not translated into PPV buys, because there are other factors that effect marketability besides a fighter's exciting style.

For example, a fighter like Floyd gets labeled as "boring", especially compared to someone like Pacquiao, but Floyd is still more marketable than Manny in a megafight because Floyd can do a much better job of promoting the fight to a US audience.

Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...

But Oscar isn't just 60 or 65% of the draw, he's more than that. Look at the history of what Oscar has done in terms of PPV buys, and look at Pacquiao's history. Those numbers will show you that in an Oscar-Pacquiao fight, Oscar would be responsible for at least 70% of the people paying $50 to order the fight on PPV.

[Spicoli]

30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.

I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...

You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?

"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.

On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "

Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...

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Honestly,thats pretty Subjective for a quoted Pac set??And where do "Factors" and "IMO" meet up?

Oscar owns the traveling circus.....Pac is looking for a front row seat ticket.

[XaduBoxer]

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.

I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...

You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?

"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.

On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "

Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...

.

Honestly,thats pretty Subjective for a quoted Pac set??And where do "Factors" and "IMO" meet up?

Oscar owns the traveling circus.....Pac is looking for a front row seat ticket.

Why subjective when it's all facts:

- Hoya got beat by PBF
- Hoya marked by Forbes in a sleeper fight

- PAC got a 130 belt
- PAC considered as one of the most exciting boxers around
- PAC got a 135 belt
- PAC considered as no.1 P4P best boxer

Hoya is on the decline while PAC still on the rise. It's all fact.

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[SweetPea]

It should also be pointed out that last March, when Pacquiao rematched Marquez in what was viewed going in as a very evenly-matched fight, Pacquiao made 5 million, while Marquez only made 1.5 million. If my math is correct, that's a 71/29 split in favor of Pacquiao. How unfair!!!

See... it works both ways.

[Spicoli]

Well I guess that solves that Consider the source IMO Rooster.Ask yourself this....who can Pac fight at current reasonable weight and make what he would make here in so many area's as Name ,cred,etc? Forget all of the haggling and parlor tricks,DLH carries the check book as well as the name even at this late twilight stage and if Manny & camp really want this to come off,stop playing lawyer and agree to terms.Its pretty obvious who needs who in this status grab!!

[KKisser]

30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.

that would have gotten 3x more flack than the proposed pac-dlh fight. nobody would buy that.

If you're saying "nobody would buy that" about a fight involving Oscar De La Hoya, then I question how much attention you've been paying to PPV totals over the last 15 years or so. Oscar is the biggest non-heavyweight PPV draw in the history of boxing. He could fight Danny G and do more PPV buys than Pacquiao could against Marquez.

really now? you would pay to see oscar fighting against david diaz? and danny g?...honestly now...

[Addicted to_boxing]

30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.

that would have gotten 3x more flack than the proposed pac-dlh fight. nobody would buy that.

If you're saying "nobody would buy that" about a fight involving Oscar De La Hoya, then I question how much attention you've been paying to PPV totals over the last 15 years or so. Oscar is the biggest non-heavyweight PPV draw in the history of boxing. He could fight Danny G and do more PPV buys than Pacquiao could against Marquez.

really now? you would pay to see oscar fighting against david diaz? and danny g?...honestly now...

I would not pay but trust me few latinos paid for it either. Many women pay to see ODLH fight an angle Ninja turtle looking Pac will never have

[KKisser]

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.


If you're saying "nobody would buy that" about a fight involving Oscar De La Hoya, then I question how much attention you've been paying to PPV totals over the last 15 years or so. Oscar is the biggest non-heavyweight PPV draw in the history of boxing. He could fight Danny G and do more PPV buys than Pacquiao could against Marquez.

really now? you would pay to see oscar fighting against david diaz? and danny g?...honestly now...

I would not pay but trust me few latinos paid for it either. Many women pay to see ODLH fight an angle Ninja turtle looking Pac will never have

ahhhh, those were the days before fishnets and stilletos. but i do agree, pac will never be the kind of draw oscar is... or was.

[Addicted to_boxing]

really now? you would pay to see oscar fighting against david diaz? and danny g?...honestly now...

I would not pay but trust me few latinos paid for it either. Many women pay to see ODLH fight an angle Ninja turtle looking Pac will never have

ahhhh, those were the days before fishnets and stilletos. but i do agree, pac will never be the kind of draw oscar is... or was.

hahaha depends on the number of kinky ones ......