Simulated Pavlik Calzaghe fight. here is the result.

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How on earth were Reid and Mitchel past their best?

I think you misunderstood what i meant i didn't say they were past there prime but experts at that time did consider both fighters to be on the downslide of there career......

Because Robin Reid had looked rubbish losing to a 42 years old Thulani Malinga yes Robin Reid did go on to have some decent performances after the Joe Calzaghe fight but at the time he fought Joe Calzaghe he was considered on the downslide of his career and Byron Mitchell was also coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and the fact that he didn't fight again for another 4 years when he lost by TKO in an 8 round bout to Richard Hall proves my point.

Mitchel was coming off his career best display by beating Sven Ottke.

No it wasn't his best performance his best performance was against Frankie Liles his fight against Sven Ottke was no robbery but for certain controversial but like i already told you earlier in this thread Sven Ottke had about 9 controversial decisions in his career against the likes of Mad Larsen and David Starie who are only decent fighters.

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If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

Anyone that knows boxing (not a hater) knows Brewer was no journeyman.

He beat Ottke twice and knocked out Herol Graham.

That must be why Brewer acknowledge that he lost the rematch to Ottke. huh? And anybody that knows Boxing knows that the Graham, Brewer beat was 39 years old and not the fighter he once was. In fact, if I remember correctly i think the Brewer fight was his last. He was an old fighter.

You clearly have not seen the Ottke fights and Graham was 37.

I own the Ottke fights. The first one was a draw. Ottke took the second by a point. Something Brewer acknowledged. Guess you know more than him, huh?

And just so you know Graham-Brewer took place in 1998. Graham was born in 1959. If you ever learn how to add and subtract you'll see he was 39. Not 37.

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Charles Brewer was an exciting fighter but he was just a goodish fighter at best and he had a suspect chin remember Herol Graham who is feather fisted and was about 8 years past his prime had Charles Brewer on the canvas twice........

And the fact that Charles Brewer has stated that he don't actually like boxing and only thinks of it as a business makes me question his heart in boxing i still can't believe how he couldn't finish a past his prime Antwun Echols when he had him down 3 times.

Herol Graham feather fisted?

WTF, thats the most stupid statement today, congratulations!

Mr featherfisted had McCallum on queer street and had Jackson saying "I aine never been hurt like that every punch felt like he was hitting me with a brick, i had to catch him i knew i would have lost"

Don't insult me about something you know nothing about do you know why he was nicknamed "Bomber" ? too fool his opponents into believing he was he was a hard hitting brawler when infact he was a good boxer with a lack of punching power which has been stated by Herol Graham and his trainer........

Maybe feather fisted was the wrong word but he certainly isn't a hard hitter and his record proves this and as for Mike McCallum he was never in any trouble with Herol Graham he just had a hard time dealing with Herol Graham's style.......

And as for Julian Jackson he had not long had surgery on his detatched retina if i remember rightly ? i have seen the fight many times and Herol Graham boxed rings around Julian Jackson and landed alot of fast good punchers but none of his punches were real *power punches* and basically Julian Jackson was having problems with his old detatched retina which is a known fact.

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I think you misunderstood what i meant i didn't say they were past there prime but experts at that time did consider both fighters to be on the downslide of there career......

Because Robin Reid had looked rubbish losing to a 42 years old Thulani Malinga yes Robin Reid did go on to have some decent performances after the Joe Calzaghe fight but at the time he fought Joe Calzaghe he was considered on the downslide of his career and Byron Mitchell was also coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and the fact that he didn't fight again for another 4 years when he lost by TKO in an 8 round bout to Richard Hall proves my point.

Mitchel was coming off his career best display by beating Sven Ottke.

No it wasn't his best performance his best performance was against Frankie Liles his fight against Sven Ottke was no robbery but for certain controversial but like i already told you earlier in this thread Sven Ottke had about 9 controversial decisions in his career against the likes of Mad Larsen and David Starie who are only decent fighters.

Im sorry crazy statement 2 now your saying Mitchel was not robbed vs Ottke?

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So if the IBF decided to give Audley Harrison there title would you consider Harrison a IBF World Heavyweight champion? Despite the fact that he never beat a champion for it?

If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

For fuck sake you can't really be this THICK!!! (you playing me right homie? ))

How can you read what i've said and ask that question?

Why would I consider Brewer the REAL WORLD CHAMPION just because he had an alphabet title?

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And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?



That must be why Brewer acknowledge that he lost the rematch to Ottke. huh? And anybody that knows Boxing knows that the Graham, Brewer beat was 39 years old and not the fighter he once was. In fact, if I remember correctly i think the Brewer fight was his last. He was an old fighter.

You clearly have not seen the Ottke fights and Graham was 37.

I own the Ottke fights. The first one was a draw. Ottke took the second by a point. Something Brewer acknowledged. Guess you know more than him, huh?

And just so you know Graham-Brewer took place in 1998. Graham was born in 1959. If you ever learn how to add and subtract you'll see he was 39. Not 37.

Firstly both Brewer/Ottke fights were robberies and why would you own any fight with Ottke on.

Smells like...... well you add the rest.

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Charles Brewer was an exciting fighter but he was just a goodish fighter at best and he had a suspect chin remember Herol Graham who is feather fisted and was about 8 years past his prime had Charles Brewer on the canvas twice........

And the fact that Charles Brewer has stated that he don't actually like boxing and only thinks of it as a business makes me question his heart in boxing i still can't believe how he couldn't finish a past his prime Antwun Echols when he had him down 3 times.

Herol Graham feather fisted?

WTF, thats the most stupid statement today, congratulations!

Mr featherfisted had McCallum on queer street and had Jackson saying "I aine never been hurt like that every punch felt like he was hitting me with a brick, i had to catch him i knew i would have lost"

Don't insult me about something you know nothing about do you know why he was nicknamed "Bomber" ? too fool his opponents into believing he was he was a hard hitting brawler when infact he was a good boxer with a lack of punching power which has been stated by Herol Graham and his trainer........

Maybe feather fisted was the wrong word but he certainly isn't a hard hitter and his record proves this and as for Mike McCallum he was never in any trouble with Herol Graham he just had a hard time dealing with Herol Graham's style.......

And as for Julian Jackson he had not long had surgery on his detatched retina if i remember rightly ? i have seen the fight many times and Herol Graham boxed rings around Julian Jackson and landed alot of fast good punchers but none of his punches were real *power punches* and basically Julian Jackson was having problems with his old detatched retina which is a known fact.

Cant tell me nowt about Graham he was my fav fighter growing up and to call him featherfisted is wholey uneducated. Either that or you just boxrec`d his record and lied.

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Mitchel was coming off his career best display by beating Sven Ottke.

No it wasn't his best performance his best performance was against Frankie Liles his fight against Sven Ottke was no robbery but for certain controversial but like i already told you earlier in this thread Sven Ottke had about 9 controversial decisions in his career against the likes of Mad Larsen and David Starie who are only decent fighters.

Im sorry crazy statement 2 now your saying Mitchel was not robbed vs Ottke?

Again you insult me over the internet is that supposed to impress me ? because your last comment just got shot down in flames and as for this comment i wouldn't say it was a robbery but i did have Byron Mitchell winning actually find out what the person means before you started insulting people or have you really got anger issues that you can't have an intelligent debate without resorting to childish insults ?

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Herol Graham feather fisted?

WTF, thats the most stupid statement today, congratulations!

Mr featherfisted had McCallum on queer street and had Jackson saying "I aine never been hurt like that every punch felt like he was hitting me with a brick, i had to catch him i knew i would have lost"

Don't insult me about something you know nothing about do you know why he was nicknamed "Bomber" ? too fool his opponents into believing he was he was a hard hitting brawler when infact he was a good boxer with a lack of punching power which has been stated by Herol Graham and his trainer........

Maybe feather fisted was the wrong word but he certainly isn't a hard hitter and his record proves this and as for Mike McCallum he was never in any trouble with Herol Graham he just had a hard time dealing with Herol Graham's style.......

And as for Julian Jackson he had not long had surgery on his detatched retina if i remember rightly ? i have seen the fight many times and Herol Graham boxed rings around Julian Jackson and landed alot of fast good punchers but none of his punches were real *power punches* and basically Julian Jackson was having problems with his old detatched retina which is a known fact.

Cant tell me nowt about Graham he was my fav fighter growing up and to call him featherfisted is wholey uneducated. Either that or you just boxrec`d his record and lied.

Well if you knew about him you would know why he was nicknamed "Bomber" and even Herol Graham himself and his trainers said he wasn't big puncher thats why he got that nickname to fool his opponents so i don't really care if he is or isn't your favorite fighter thats a fact whether you like it or not he isn't a big puncher.

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No it wasn't his best performance his best performance was against Frankie Liles his fight against Sven Ottke was no robbery but for certain controversial but like i already told you earlier in this thread Sven Ottke had about 9 controversial decisions in his career against the likes of Mad Larsen and David Starie who are only decent fighters.

Im sorry crazy statement 2 now your saying Mitchel was not robbed vs Ottke?

Again you insult me over the internet is that supposed to impress me ? because your last comment just got shot down in flames and as for this comment i wouldn't say it was a robbery but i did have Byron Mitchell winning actually find out what the person means before you started insulting people or have you really got anger issues that you can't have an intelligent debate without resorting to childish insults ?

Because i find something you said crazy deosnt mean im insulting you. Dont try playing im throwing hate around you buddy Demise does that.

If i find something that i read is stupid or crazy i will use those terms. I will define an insult if you like.

I stick by it Mitchel was wholey jobbed against Ottke and to say Graham was freatherfisted is crazy.

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Charles Brewer was an exciting fighter but he was just a goodish fighter at best and he had a suspect chin remember Herol Graham who is feather fisted and was about 8 years past his prime had Charles Brewer on the canvas twice........

And the fact that Charles Brewer has stated that he don't actually like boxing and only thinks of it as a business makes me question his heart in boxing i still can't believe how he couldn't finish a past his prime Antwun Echols when he had him down 3 times.

That is not unusual.

Here's a Larry Holmes quote - "Why do you think I'm fighting? The glory? The agony of defeat? You show me a man who says he ain't fighting for money, I'll show you a fool"

Here's one from Roy Jones - "Fighters want to fight for titles, but not as much as we want to fight for MONEY."

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Don't insult me about something you know nothing about do you know why he was nicknamed "Bomber" ? too fool his opponents into believing he was he was a hard hitting brawler when infact he was a good boxer with a lack of punching power which has been stated by Herol Graham and his trainer........

Maybe feather fisted was the wrong word but he certainly isn't a hard hitter and his record proves this and as for Mike McCallum he was never in any trouble with Herol Graham he just had a hard time dealing with Herol Graham's style.......

And as for Julian Jackson he had not long had surgery on his detatched retina if i remember rightly ? i have seen the fight many times and Herol Graham boxed rings around Julian Jackson and landed alot of fast good punchers but none of his punches were real *power punches* and basically Julian Jackson was having problems with his old detatched retina which is a known fact.

Cant tell me nowt about Graham he was my fav fighter growing up and to call him featherfisted is wholey uneducated. Either that or you just boxrec`d his record and lied.

Well if you knew about him you would know why he was nicknamed "Bomber" and even Herol Graham himself and his trainers said he wasn't big puncher thats why he got that nickname to fool his opponents so i don't really care if he is or isn't your favorite fighter thats a fact whether you like it or not he isn't a big puncher.

AHH!

He could punch.

You said he was featherfisted.

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If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

For fuck sake you can't really be this THICK!!! (you playing me right homie? ))

How can you read what i've said and ask that question?

Why would I consider Brewer the REAL WORLD CHAMPION just because he had an alphabet title?

Oh I know you didn't consider him the real world champion. I just find it funny that you actually call him that when it comes to talking about Calzaghe's past opponents. Like if he actually was one.

You clearly have not seen the Ottke fights and Graham was 37.

I own the Ottke fights. The first one was a draw. Ottke took the second by a point. Something Brewer acknowledged. Guess you know more than him, huh?

And just so you know Graham-Brewer took place in 1998. Graham was born in 1959. If you ever learn how to add and subtract you'll see he was 39. Not 37.

Firstly both Brewer/Ottke fights were robberies and why would you own any fight with Ottke on.

Smells like...... well you add the rest.

Cuz I collect fights. I rather watch a fight and see for myself. I don't just go by what other people say. Unlike some people here

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And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

For fuck sake you can't really be this THICK!!! (you playing me right homie? ))

How can you read what i've said and ask that question?

Why would I consider Brewer the REAL WORLD CHAMPION just because he had an alphabet title?

Oh I know you didn't consider him the real world champion. I just find it funny that you actually call him that when it comes to talking about Calzaghe's past opponents. Like if he actually was one.

I own the Ottke fights. The first one was a draw. Ottke took the second by a point. Something Brewer acknowledged. Guess you know more than him, huh?

And just so you know Graham-Brewer took place in 1998. Graham was born in 1959. If you ever learn how to add and subtract you'll see he was 39. Not 37.

Firstly both Brewer/Ottke fights were robberies and why would you own any fight with Ottke on.

Smells like...... well you add the rest.

Cuz I collect fights. I rather watch a fight and see for myself. I don't just go by what other people say. Unlike some people here

Judging by the way you scored the Brewer/Ottke fights id say you fall in the group "Unlike some other people"

seriously i know your just a hater of the highest order but its getting too far.

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Cant tell me nowt about Graham he was my fav fighter growing up and to call him featherfisted is wholey uneducated. Either that or you just boxrec`d his record and lied.

Well if you knew about him you would know why he was nicknamed "Bomber" and even Herol Graham himself and his trainers said he wasn't big puncher thats why he got that nickname to fool his opponents so i don't really care if he is or isn't your favorite fighter thats a fact whether you like it or not he isn't a big puncher.

AHH!

He could punch.

You said he was featherfisted.

I already stated that was the wrong word to use but he wasn't a big puncher and as i already said and my other comment about Herol Graham's nickname already proves my point about his punching power i don't need to keep repeating myself.