Simulated Pavlik Calzaghe fight. here is the result.

[Violent Demise]

Hey didn't you understand my other post? Thought I made it clear.

I personally only EVER consider one champion per divison. Alphabet titles, whether it's the WBC, WBA, WBO or IBF don't mean shit. It's the fighter that makes the belt.

I'm merely stating a FACT that Charles Brewer was the IBF "world" Champion. That is a Fact.

So if the IBF decided to give Audley Harrison there title would you consider Harrison a IBF World Heavyweight champion? Despite the fact that he never beat a champion for it?

If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

So if the IBF decided to give Audley Harrison there title would you consider Harrison a IBF World Heavyweight champion? Despite the fact that he never beat a champion for it?

If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

Anyone that knows boxing (not a hater) knows Brewer was no journeyman.

He beat Ottke twice and knocked out Herol Graham.

That must be why Brewer acknowledge that he lost the rematch to Ottke. huh? And anybody that knows Boxing knows that the Graham, Brewer beat was 39 years old and not the fighter he once was. In fact, if I remember correctly i think the Brewer fight was his last. He was an old fighter.

[Markusdarkus]

So if the IBF decided to give Audley Harrison there title would you consider Harrison a IBF World Heavyweight champion? Despite the fact that he never beat a champion for it?

If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

Anyone that knows boxing (not a hater) knows Brewer was no journeyman.

He beat Ottke twice and knocked out Herol Graham.

That must be why Brewer acknowledge that he lost the rematch to Ottke. huh? And anybody that knows Boxing knows that the Graham, Brewer beat was 39 years old and not the fighter he once was. In fact, if I remember correctly i think the Brewer fight was his last. He was an old fighter.

You clearly have not seen the Ottke fights and Graham was 37.

[Violent Demise]

If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

Anyone that knows boxing (not a hater) knows Brewer was no journeyman.

He beat Ottke twice and knocked out Herol Graham.

That must be why Brewer acknowledge that he lost the rematch to Ottke. huh? And anybody that knows Boxing knows that the Graham, Brewer beat was 39 years old and not the fighter he once was. In fact, if I remember correctly i think the Brewer fight was his last. He was an old fighter.

You clearly have not seen the Ottke fights and Graham was 37.

I own the Ottke fights. The first one was a draw. Ottke took the second by a point. Something Brewer acknowledged. Guess you know more than him, huh?

And just so you know Graham-Brewer took place in 1998. Graham was born in 1959. If you ever learn how to add and subtract you'll see he was 39. Not 37.

[Markusdarkus]

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?



That must be why Brewer acknowledge that he lost the rematch to Ottke. huh? And anybody that knows Boxing knows that the Graham, Brewer beat was 39 years old and not the fighter he once was. In fact, if I remember correctly i think the Brewer fight was his last. He was an old fighter.

You clearly have not seen the Ottke fights and Graham was 37.

I own the Ottke fights. The first one was a draw. Ottke took the second by a point. Something Brewer acknowledged. Guess you know more than him, huh?

And just so you know Graham-Brewer took place in 1998. Graham was born in 1959. If you ever learn how to add and subtract you'll see he was 39. Not 37.

Firstly both Brewer/Ottke fights were robberies and why would you own any fight with Ottke on.

Smells like...... well you add the rest.

[Violent Demise]

If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

For fuck sake you can't really be this THICK!!! (you playing me right homie? ))

How can you read what i've said and ask that question?

Why would I consider Brewer the REAL WORLD CHAMPION just because he had an alphabet title?

Oh I know you didn't consider him the real world champion. I just find it funny that you actually call him that when it comes to talking about Calzaghe's past opponents. Like if he actually was one.

You clearly have not seen the Ottke fights and Graham was 37.

I own the Ottke fights. The first one was a draw. Ottke took the second by a point. Something Brewer acknowledged. Guess you know more than him, huh?

And just so you know Graham-Brewer took place in 1998. Graham was born in 1959. If you ever learn how to add and subtract you'll see he was 39. Not 37.

Firstly both Brewer/Ottke fights were robberies and why would you own any fight with Ottke on.

Smells like...... well you add the rest.

Cuz I collect fights. I rather watch a fight and see for myself. I don't just go by what other people say. Unlike some people here

[Markusdarkus]

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

For fuck sake you can't really be this THICK!!! (you playing me right homie? ))

How can you read what i've said and ask that question?

Why would I consider Brewer the REAL WORLD CHAMPION just because he had an alphabet title?

Oh I know you didn't consider him the real world champion. I just find it funny that you actually call him that when it comes to talking about Calzaghe's past opponents. Like if he actually was one.

I own the Ottke fights. The first one was a draw. Ottke took the second by a point. Something Brewer acknowledged. Guess you know more than him, huh?

And just so you know Graham-Brewer took place in 1998. Graham was born in 1959. If you ever learn how to add and subtract you'll see he was 39. Not 37.

Firstly both Brewer/Ottke fights were robberies and why would you own any fight with Ottke on.

Smells like...... well you add the rest.

Cuz I collect fights. I rather watch a fight and see for myself. I don't just go by what other people say. Unlike some people here

Judging by the way you scored the Brewer/Ottke fights id say you fall in the group "Unlike some other people"

seriously i know your just a hater of the highest order but its getting too far.

[Violent Demise]

For fuck sake you can't really be this THICK!!! (you playing me right homie? ))

How can you read what i've said and ask that question?

Why would I consider Brewer the REAL WORLD CHAMPION just because he had an alphabet title?

Oh I know you didn't consider him the real world champion. I just find it funny that you actually call him that when it comes to talking about Calzaghe's past opponents. Like if he actually was one.

Firstly both Brewer/Ottke fights were robberies and why would you own any fight with Ottke on.

Smells like...... well you add the rest.

Cuz I collect fights. I rather watch a fight and see for myself. I don't just go by what other people say. Unlike some people here

Judging by the way you scored the Brewer/Ottke fights id say you fall in the group "Unlike some other people"

seriously i know your just a hater of the highest order but its getting too far.

From your posts it's obvious your opinion comes from whatever the current public perception is. If people say he was robbed, than you say he was robbed. If people say he's great, you say he's great. If people say he sucks, than you say he sucks. It impossible to really talk sense with somebody like that. Cuz there opinion isn't there own. It's what they been told to think. No idea of there own. Just like sheep

Bah. Bah. Bah

[Fenster]

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

For fuck sake you can't really be this THICK!!! (you playing me right homie? ))

How can you read what i've said and ask that question?

Why would I consider Brewer the REAL WORLD CHAMPION just because he had an alphabet title?

Oh I know you didn't consider him the real world champion. I just find it funny that you actually call him that when it comes to talking about Calzaghe's past opponents. Like if he actually was one.

NEVER ever ever have I stated Brewer was The REAL WORLD CHAMPION! The MAN!

I referred to him by his rightful title - a former IBF "world" champion. Fact.

I believe an alphabet champion would rate above journeyman class in most peoples eyes (clearly not yours). So.. being an alphabet champion gives a fighter a smidgen of kudos, at the very least. That's all.

[Violent Demise]

For fuck sake you can't really be this THICK!!! (you playing me right homie? ))

How can you read what i've said and ask that question?

Why would I consider Brewer the REAL WORLD CHAMPION just because he had an alphabet title?

Oh I know you didn't consider him the real world champion. I just find it funny that you actually call him that when it comes to talking about Calzaghe's past opponents. Like if he actually was one.

NEVER ever ever have I stated Brewer was The REAL WORLD CHAMPION! The MAN!

I referred to him by his rightful title - a former IBF "world" champion. Fact.

I believe an alphabet champion would rate above journeyman class in most peoples eyes (clearly not yours). So.. being an alphabet champion gives a fighter a smidgen of kudos, at the very least. That's all.

I would agree with you if the fighter actually beat another alphabet champion for his belt. Brewer didn't.

[Fenster]

So if the IBF decided to give Audley Harrison there title would you consider Harrison a IBF World Heavyweight champion? Despite the fact that he never beat a champion for it?

If the IBF made Harrison their "world" champion he would be their "world" champion.

Having to beat their IBF champion is irrelevant. I wouldn't class Audley as the real WORLD champion unless he beat the guy considered as the real WORLD champion.

And people wonder why the organizations will never go away. No need when you can brain wash people so easily. Did you consider Brewer the real world champion?

For fuck sake you can't really be this THICK!!! (you playing me right homie? ))

How can you read what i've said and ask that question?

Why would I consider Brewer the REAL WORLD CHAMPION just because he had an alphabet title?