American Heavyweights running scared of David Haye

[Wayne]

What does it have to do with boxing?...

I'll paste my prior post...






Geezus... Yeah cuz Americans don't know our Heavywieghts suck. Football and Basketball in the states ruined any HW crop that could have come up.

Why would we be bitter that you had the best HW of recent times? That statment is rediculous. Wow, yeah, I'm pissed I'm also pissed at the Ukraine for having Wlad. I bet that the UK is bitter we've dominated the MW div for so long You guys could care less as could we...

Sure the US would like some decent HW blood but we just don't have it... They're to busy making Millions per year catching a ball.

As for your statement that we're waiting to see Haye stumble... You're damn straight! It has nothing to do with being bitter but he's all mouth... I want Wlad! I'm gonna find him in a mall and talk shit... Wlad laughed at him. Now he's dropping fights with 3rd tier comp so he doesn't get KOd on his first outing cuz that would be......... unfortunate

I agree with him taking C or B level comp to begin with to test the waters but don't call yourself the best HW out there and look for C level guys... Shut your friggin mouth... Take a few gimmes at HW and when you crack the top 5 then open it.

I'd be the first "I told you so" you'd hear.

If he kept his mouth on lock he'd be fine... Promote the fight once it's signed, moron not before... You're not PBF who comanded the sport.

The hate brigade is one he set up... with his mouth.

I can't wait to see him get KOd by Jameel McCline or somebody... I'll laugh my ass off

How about DaVarryl "Touch of Sleep" Williams?

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

What does it have to do with boxing?...

I'll paste my prior post...






Geezus... Yeah cuz Americans don't know our Heavywieghts suck. Football and Basketball in the states ruined any HW crop that could have come up.

Why would we be bitter that you had the best HW of recent times? That statment is rediculous. Wow, yeah, I'm pissed I'm also pissed at the Ukraine for having Wlad. I bet that the UK is bitter we've dominated the MW div for so long You guys could care less as could we...

Sure the US would like some decent HW blood but we just don't have it... They're to busy making Millions per year catching a ball.

As for your statement that we're waiting to see Haye stumble... You're damn straight! It has nothing to do with being bitter but he's all mouth... I want Wlad! I'm gonna find him in a mall and talk shit... Wlad laughed at him. Now he's dropping fights with 3rd tier comp so he doesn't get KOd on his first outing cuz that would be......... unfortunate

I agree with him taking C or B level comp to begin with to test the waters but don't call yourself the best HW out there and look for C level guys... Shut your friggin mouth... Take a few gimmes at HW and when you crack the top 5 then open it.

I'd be the first "I told you so" you'd hear.

If he kept his mouth on lock he'd be fine... Promote the fight once it's signed, moron not before... You're not PBF who comanded the sport.

The hate brigade is one he set up... with his mouth.

I can't wait to see him get KOd by Jameel McCline or somebody... I'll laugh my ass off

How about DaVarryl "Touch of Sleep" Williams?

Yup...
Former football quarterback at Wayne State College (1991-1993)
Tried out with the National Football League's Indianapolis Colts (1993)
Began boxing at 25 yrs old
Holds a Masters degree
Has performed as a stand-up comic

[rjj tszyu]

What does it have to do with boxing?...

I'll paste my prior post...






Geezus... Yeah cuz Americans don't know our Heavywieghts suck. Football and Basketball in the states ruined any HW crop that could have come up.

Why would we be bitter that you had the best HW of recent times? That statment is rediculous. Wow, yeah, I'm pissed I'm also pissed at the Ukraine for having Wlad. I bet that the UK is bitter we've dominated the MW div for so long You guys could care less as could we...

Sure the US would like some decent HW blood but we just don't have it... They're to busy making Millions per year catching a ball.

As for your statement that we're waiting to see Haye stumble... You're damn straight! It has nothing to do with being bitter but he's all mouth... I want Wlad! I'm gonna find him in a mall and talk shit... Wlad laughed at him. Now he's dropping fights with 3rd tier comp so he doesn't get KOd on his first outing cuz that would be......... unfortunate

I agree with him taking C or B level comp to begin with to test the waters but don't call yourself the best HW out there and look for C level guys... Shut your friggin mouth... Take a few gimmes at HW and when you crack the top 5 then open it.

I'd be the first "I told you so" you'd hear.

If he kept his mouth on lock he'd be fine... Promote the fight once it's signed, moron not before... You're not PBF who comanded the sport.

The hate brigade is one he set up... with his mouth.

I can't wait to see him get KOd by Jameel McCline or somebody... I'll laugh my ass off

So was there no other sports around in the days of George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis then?

We are just having a bad patch in the HW division. Its not other sports faults, we had a similar problem in the 80s (maybe not as bad). I guarantee when one good American heavy comes along others will follow, its just the way things happen.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

What does it have to do with boxing?...

I'll paste my prior post...






Geezus... Yeah cuz Americans don't know our Heavywieghts suck. Football and Basketball in the states ruined any HW crop that could have come up.

Why would we be bitter that you had the best HW of recent times? That statment is rediculous. Wow, yeah, I'm pissed I'm also pissed at the Ukraine for having Wlad. I bet that the UK is bitter we've dominated the MW div for so long You guys could care less as could we...

Sure the US would like some decent HW blood but we just don't have it... They're to busy making Millions per year catching a ball.

As for your statement that we're waiting to see Haye stumble... You're damn straight! It has nothing to do with being bitter but he's all mouth... I want Wlad! I'm gonna find him in a mall and talk shit... Wlad laughed at him. Now he's dropping fights with 3rd tier comp so he doesn't get KOd on his first outing cuz that would be......... unfortunate

I agree with him taking C or B level comp to begin with to test the waters but don't call yourself the best HW out there and look for C level guys... Shut your friggin mouth... Take a few gimmes at HW and when you crack the top 5 then open it.

I'd be the first "I told you so" you'd hear.

If he kept his mouth on lock he'd be fine... Promote the fight once it's signed, moron not before... You're not PBF who comanded the sport.

The hate brigade is one he set up... with his mouth.

I can't wait to see him get KOd by Jameel McCline or somebody... I'll laugh my ass off

So was there no other sports around in the days of George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis then?

.

Ughhhhh...

Not that paid as much as the HW champ and it was in such a spotlight that they were bigger then any one athlete on a team sport...

Guys weren't getting 100 mil for a 5 yr contract...

Boxing was more lucrative then Basketball and football.

[rjj tszyu]

What does it have to do with boxing?...

I'll paste my prior post...






Geezus... Yeah cuz Americans don't know our Heavywieghts suck. Football and Basketball in the states ruined any HW crop that could have come up.

Why would we be bitter that you had the best HW of recent times? That statment is rediculous. Wow, yeah, I'm pissed I'm also pissed at the Ukraine for having Wlad. I bet that the UK is bitter we've dominated the MW div for so long You guys could care less as could we...

Sure the US would like some decent HW blood but we just don't have it... They're to busy making Millions per year catching a ball.

As for your statement that we're waiting to see Haye stumble... You're damn straight! It has nothing to do with being bitter but he's all mouth... I want Wlad! I'm gonna find him in a mall and talk shit... Wlad laughed at him. Now he's dropping fights with 3rd tier comp so he doesn't get KOd on his first outing cuz that would be......... unfortunate

I agree with him taking C or B level comp to begin with to test the waters but don't call yourself the best HW out there and look for C level guys... Shut your friggin mouth... Take a few gimmes at HW and when you crack the top 5 then open it.

I'd be the first "I told you so" you'd hear.

If he kept his mouth on lock he'd be fine... Promote the fight once it's signed, moron not before... You're not PBF who comanded the sport.

The hate brigade is one he set up... with his mouth.

I can't wait to see him get KOd by Jameel McCline or somebody... I'll laugh my ass off

So was there no other sports around in the days of George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis then?

.

Ughhhhh...

Not that paid as much as the HW champ and it was in such a spotlight that they were bigger then any one athlete on a team sport...

Guys weren't getting 100 mil for a 5 yr contract...

Boxing was more lucrative then Basketball and football.

OK I see where your coming from. I don't totally agree but I see logic in what your saying.

[Wayne]

Hey, if you desperately wanted out of the ghetto and had nothing but your hands and feet to carry you out and there's no such thing as the NFL, NBA or MLB you might have gone into pro boxing.

[WelshDevilRob]

American Heavyweights are piss poor and have been for a while. Protected records and then they lose meekly. Great Shame.

Who will fight Haye - it doesn't matter - they are getting KTFO.

Holyfield had one or 2 easy fights when he stepped upto Heavy and Haye probably will aswell - cos people apart from old fogies looking for a last payday won't fight him.

Herbie Hide is an option if they need a name.

Alright then let's make a list of NON-American heavyweights that don't have padded records, and I'm talking current fighters.

Touche, greg.

Have the Americans got to rely on European Heavyweights being decent?

We can look through history and the vast majority is dominated by US Heavy's - those were the days. Now we got Robotic Ukrainians and from the US umm Brian Minto? Derrick Rossy? Vinny Maddalone?

Where are the US Heavys. I started a topic on here wayback regarding the current state of US Heavys called "Why are US Heavys so poor?"
I got many answers and was told Brock or Thompson was the next man - that was wrong, people even still talk about Oliver McCall.

Chapman seems to have chickened out, Johnson is acting dumb, turns down the money - wants more then mouths off.

The only US fighter wanting to go is Ray Mercer. Thats a mess.

I accept that a few decent contenders albeit from europe are tied up. But what excuse do Johnson, Arreola or Chapman have? A career high payday.

[killersheep]

American Heavyweights are piss poor and have been for a while. Protected records and then they lose meekly. Great Shame.

Who will fight Haye - it doesn't matter - they are getting KTFO.

Holyfield had one or 2 easy fights when he stepped upto Heavy and Haye probably will aswell - cos people apart from old fogies looking for a last payday won't fight him.

Herbie Hide is an option if they need a name.

Alright then let's make a list of NON-American heavyweights that don't have padded records, and I'm talking current fighters.

Touche, greg.

Have the Americans got to rely on European Heavyweights being decent?

We can look through history and the vast majority is dominated by US Heavy's - those were the days. Now we got Robotic Ukrainians and from the US umm Brian Minto? Derrick Rossy? Vinny Maddalone?

Where are the US Heavys. I started a topic on here wayback regarding the current state of US Heavys called "Why are US Heavys so poor?"
I got many answers and was told Brock or Thompson was the next man - that was wrong, people even still talk about Oliver McCall.

Chapman seems to have chickened out, Johnson is acting dumb, turns down the money - wants more then mouths off.

The only US fighter wanting to go is Ray Mercer. Thats a mess.

I accept that a few decent contenders albeit from europe are tied up. But what excuse do Johnson, Arreola or Chapman have? A career high payday.

This is all he said, she said mind you, but from what I understand is Johnson does in fact still want the fight, Arreola already has another fight booked and Chapman well, not exactly the contender Haye was looking for. I think POB has hit the nail on the head, going forward you won't see to many American HW greats. Guys in America can make absolutely tons of money playing Baseball or Basketball. Thompson made a career high payday at $250,000 in a title fight against the highest rated HW of all boxing. The average MLB player makes about $2,400,000. The average NBA player makes about $4,000,000. The money isn't in boxing like it used to be (Stateside anyway). The NFL which has salary caps still averages about $770,000 per year.

[ross]

money deffinitly is in boxing, if Mike Tyson were to announce a comeback tomorrow how many people here wouldnt watch?

When Mike fought Holyfield he was paid 30 million and that was 12 years ago!!!

All that needs to happen is someone to realise that much like Mayorga and Tyson, if you are interesting and exciting people will pay to watch you, whether you have a few losses or not, thats what fighting is all about, not Hopkins style "look how I can hold and grab and call it clever boxing"

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

So was there no other sports around in the days of George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis then?

.

Ughhhhh...

Not that paid as much as the HW champ and it was in such a spotlight that they were bigger then any one athlete on a team sport...

Guys weren't getting 100 mil for a 5 yr contract...

Boxing was more lucrative then Basketball and football.

OK I see where your coming from. I don't totally agree but I see logic in what your saying.

That's why forums are great... We discuss and see each others views are you see mine, I see yours... We may not totally agree but we can see why the other sees the way they do...

Good discussion!

[kingfrnk]

hmm the thread is called American Heavyweights running scared of David Haye it should be the other way around

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

money deffinitly is in boxing, if Mike Tyson were to announce a comeback tomorrow how many people here wouldnt watch?

When Mike fought Holyfield he was paid 30 million and that was 12 years ago!!!

All that needs to happen is someone to realise that much like Mayorga and Tyson, if you are interesting and exciting people will pay to watch you, whether you have a few losses or not, thats what fighting is all about, not Hopkins style "look how I can hold and grab and call it clever boxing"

So you're gonna say he's not a clever boxer? He almost beat Calzaghe and Joe in my eyes is in his prime... Joe is a great champ.

Hitting and holding is not clever boxing... I like Hatton but his style is not "clever boxing" John Ruiz's style is not "clever boxing" Hopkin's ability to slip, slide, evade, force you to initiate then counter and hit you and then hold.... That's "clever boxing