American Heavyweights running scared of David Haye

[WelshDevilRob]

American Heavyweights are piss poor and have been for a while. Protected records and then they lose meekly. Great Shame.

Who will fight Haye - it doesn't matter - they are getting KTFO.

Holyfield had one or 2 easy fights when he stepped upto Heavy and Haye probably will aswell - cos people apart from old fogies looking for a last payday won't fight him.

Herbie Hide is an option if they need a name.

Alright then let's make a list of NON-American heavyweights that don't have padded records, and I'm talking current fighters.

Touche, greg.

Have the Americans got to rely on European Heavyweights being decent?

We can look through history and the vast majority is dominated by US Heavy's - those were the days. Now we got Robotic Ukrainians and from the US umm Brian Minto? Derrick Rossy? Vinny Maddalone?

Where are the US Heavys. I started a topic on here wayback regarding the current state of US Heavys called "Why are US Heavys so poor?"
I got many answers and was told Brock or Thompson was the next man - that was wrong, people even still talk about Oliver McCall.

Chapman seems to have chickened out, Johnson is acting dumb, turns down the money - wants more then mouths off.

The only US fighter wanting to go is Ray Mercer. Thats a mess.

I accept that a few decent contenders albeit from europe are tied up. But what excuse do Johnson, Arreola or Chapman have? A career high payday.

[killersheep]

American Heavyweights are piss poor and have been for a while. Protected records and then they lose meekly. Great Shame.

Who will fight Haye - it doesn't matter - they are getting KTFO.

Holyfield had one or 2 easy fights when he stepped upto Heavy and Haye probably will aswell - cos people apart from old fogies looking for a last payday won't fight him.

Herbie Hide is an option if they need a name.

Alright then let's make a list of NON-American heavyweights that don't have padded records, and I'm talking current fighters.

Touche, greg.

Have the Americans got to rely on European Heavyweights being decent?

We can look through history and the vast majority is dominated by US Heavy's - those were the days. Now we got Robotic Ukrainians and from the US umm Brian Minto? Derrick Rossy? Vinny Maddalone?

Where are the US Heavys. I started a topic on here wayback regarding the current state of US Heavys called "Why are US Heavys so poor?"
I got many answers and was told Brock or Thompson was the next man - that was wrong, people even still talk about Oliver McCall.

Chapman seems to have chickened out, Johnson is acting dumb, turns down the money - wants more then mouths off.

The only US fighter wanting to go is Ray Mercer. Thats a mess.

I accept that a few decent contenders albeit from europe are tied up. But what excuse do Johnson, Arreola or Chapman have? A career high payday.

This is all he said, she said mind you, but from what I understand is Johnson does in fact still want the fight, Arreola already has another fight booked and Chapman well, not exactly the contender Haye was looking for. I think POB has hit the nail on the head, going forward you won't see to many American HW greats. Guys in America can make absolutely tons of money playing Baseball or Basketball. Thompson made a career high payday at $250,000 in a title fight against the highest rated HW of all boxing. The average MLB player makes about $2,400,000. The average NBA player makes about $4,000,000. The money isn't in boxing like it used to be (Stateside anyway). The NFL which has salary caps still averages about $770,000 per year.

[ross]

money deffinitly is in boxing, if Mike Tyson were to announce a comeback tomorrow how many people here wouldnt watch?

When Mike fought Holyfield he was paid 30 million and that was 12 years ago!!!

All that needs to happen is someone to realise that much like Mayorga and Tyson, if you are interesting and exciting people will pay to watch you, whether you have a few losses or not, thats what fighting is all about, not Hopkins style "look how I can hold and grab and call it clever boxing"

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

money deffinitly is in boxing, if Mike Tyson were to announce a comeback tomorrow how many people here wouldnt watch?

When Mike fought Holyfield he was paid 30 million and that was 12 years ago!!!

All that needs to happen is someone to realise that much like Mayorga and Tyson, if you are interesting and exciting people will pay to watch you, whether you have a few losses or not, thats what fighting is all about, not Hopkins style "look how I can hold and grab and call it clever boxing"

So you're gonna say he's not a clever boxer? He almost beat Calzaghe and Joe in my eyes is in his prime... Joe is a great champ.

Hitting and holding is not clever boxing... I like Hatton but his style is not "clever boxing" John Ruiz's style is not "clever boxing" Hopkin's ability to slip, slide, evade, force you to initiate then counter and hit you and then hold.... That's "clever boxing