Paul Williams/Andy Kolle RBR

[CutMeMick]

Shit!
Either I'm really a Williams hater or I need to learn how to look at these fights in a different light.

Cause I did not get all that like ICB states...

All I saw was Paul backing him up, which was something expected.
Throw combos which he normally does and KO, Kolle which was figuered he'd do.
As for the power well he showed lots of it vs. CQ II.

[ICB]

Shit!
Either I'm really a Williams hater or I need to learn how to look at these fights in a different light.

Cause I did not get all that like ICB states...

All I saw was Paul backing him up, which was something expected.
Throw combos which he normally does and KO, Kolle which was figuered he'd do.
As for the power well he showed lots of it vs. CQ II.

As i said to you before the fight you need to look at this fight in a different way, this fight was just to show us if Paul Williams could still have all of his best attributes when moving up, which he did show and the extra muscle will make him hit even harder and with the added advantage of not having to drain himself which is great for Williams. Kolle is no elite guy but whatever way you look at it its an impressive performance, and Williams will be a big threat at Middleweight.

[RP33]

sorry mick, but i also was impressed with such a quick KO.. I sort of always looked at the punisher's fact that he had a high KO ratio at welter was because he was so much bigger than everyone.. so to see him do it to someone his size was reassuring that he does actually have some power..

let's put it this way, if i was a welterweight, and saw him just ko a middleweight in one round, it would be intimidating to fight him at WW..

i still find it hard to judge PW though.. i mean besides quintana and margarito, he hasn't fought too many top WW's.. there is no doubt he is a great fighter, and has a wholleee lot to offer, but i'd love to see him mix it up with some more top WW's.. clottey, cotto, someone else on that level.. He definitely beat margarito up a bit, but was losing it towards the end, tony started wayy too late, and was down too much before he put his foot hard on the gas..

if anything, i'm more intrigued now than yesterday to see where his career goes..

[CutMeMick]

sorry mick, but i also was impressed with such a quick KO.. I sort of always looked at the punisher's fact that he had a high KO ratio at welter was because he was so much bigger than everyone.. so to see him do it to someone his size was reassuring that he does actually have some power..

No need to apologize..

let's put it this way, if i was a welterweight, and saw him just ko a middleweight in one round, it would be intimidating to fight him at WW..

Which Middle did he KO though?
All I'm saying is this he did was expected and that's win in fashion.

So good for him.

[Spicoli]

Lets not loose sight that this was Paul doing just as many expected ultimatly......KO'ing his set-up "showcase" opponent.He has found some identity with style but one step at a time . He don't KO a Monzon and/or a Leonard based on this and Quintana blowout.

[ICB]

Lets not loose sight that this was Paul doing just as many expected ultimatly......KO'ing his set-up "showcase" opponent.He has found some identity with style but one step at a time . He don't KO a Monzon and/or a Leonard based on this and Quintana blowout.

I'll tell you what Spicoli Kelly Pavlik reminds me of a modern day version of Carlos Monzon, only his chin ain't as good. If Paul Williams could beat Kelly Pavlik im not saying he will, but if he could that would give us somewhat of an idea of how Monzon vs Williams would go IMO.

[Spicoli]

Lets not loose sight that this was Paul doing just as many expected ultimatly......KO'ing his set-up "showcase" opponent.He has found some identity with style but one step at a time . He don't KO a Monzon and/or a Leonard based on this and Quintana blowout.

I'll tell you what Spicoli Kelly Pavlik reminds me of a modern day version of Carlos Monzon, only his chin ain't as good. If Paul Williams could beat Kelly Pavlik im not saying he will, but if he could that would give us somewhat of an idea of how Monzon vs Williams would go IMO.

Sorry man,you lost me ??But just for the discussion,Williams has a long way to go before he matches straight power shots with Pavlik......Breath 1,2,3 .One hypothesis at a time

[ICB]

Lets not loose sight that this was Paul doing just as many expected ultimatly......KO'ing his set-up "showcase" opponent.He has found some identity with style but one step at a time . He don't KO a Monzon and/or a Leonard based on this and Quintana blowout.

I'll tell you what Spicoli Kelly Pavlik reminds me of a modern day version of Carlos Monzon, only his chin ain't as good. If Paul Williams could beat Kelly Pavlik im not saying he will, but if he could that would give us somewhat of an idea of how Monzon vs Williams would go IMO.

Sorry man,you lost me ??But just for the discussion,Williams has a long way to go before he matches straight power shots with Pavlik......Breath 1,2,3 .One hypothesis at a time

I think Pavlik and Monzon are very similar Spicoli there both big Middleweights, there both robotic, there both quite slow handspeed wise. They both rely on the jab/right hand combo, i maybe seeing things here but thats what i noticed when i was watching both fighters.

[CutMeMick]

Lets not loose sight that this was Paul doing just as many expected ultimatly......KO'ing his set-up "showcase" opponent.He has found some identity with style but one step at a time . He don't KO a Monzon and/or a Leonard based on this and Quintana blowout.

I'll tell you what Spicoli Kelly Pavlik reminds me of a modern day version of Carlos Monzon, only his chin ain't as good. If Paul Williams could beat Kelly Pavlik im not saying he will, but if he could that would give us somewhat of an idea of how Monzon vs Williams would go IMO.

Sorry man,you lost me ??But just for the discussion,Williams has a long way to go before he matches straight power shots with Pavlik......Breath 1,2,3 .One hypothesis at a time

You and me both Spicoli...
I need a break here.

[CutMeMick]

Lets not loose sight that this was Paul doing just as many expected ultimatly......KO'ing his set-up "showcase" opponent.He has found some identity with style but one step at a time . He don't KO a Monzon and/or a Leonard based on this and Quintana blowout.

I'll tell you what Spicoli Kelly Pavlik reminds me of a modern day version of Carlos Monzon, only his chin ain't as good. If Paul Williams could beat Kelly Pavlik im not saying he will, but if he could that would give us somewhat of an idea of how Monzon vs Williams would go IMO.

I'm sorry ICB but my jaw just hit the floor here.

I'm a bit speechless.

I honestly have no idea where to start here.

Pavlik & Monzon alike I just don't see it. Pavliks faster then Monzon and throws more punches then Monzon.
Pavliks a fast starter while Monzon took his time with his opponents.

I def. see the jab straight right analogy but I think as far as them being the same I think Pavs is more versatile.

[ICB]

Lets not loose sight that this was Paul doing just as many expected ultimatly......KO'ing his set-up "showcase" opponent.He has found some identity with style but one step at a time . He don't KO a Monzon and/or a Leonard based on this and Quintana blowout.

I'll tell you what Spicoli Kelly Pavlik reminds me of a modern day version of Carlos Monzon, only his chin ain't as good. If Paul Williams could beat Kelly Pavlik im not saying he will, but if he could that would give us somewhat of an idea of how Monzon vs Williams would go IMO.

I'm sorry ICB but my jaw just hit the floor here.

I'm a bit speechless.

I honestly have no idea where to start here.

Pavlik & Monzon alike I just don't see it. Pavliks faster then Monzon and throws more punches then Monzon.
Pavliks a fast starter while Monzon took his time with his opponents.

I def. see the jab straight right analogy but I think as far as them being the same I think Pavs is more versatile.

So your basically agreeing with me except your saying Carlos Monzon was a slower starter and picked his shots better, where as Pavlik is a faster starter and throws more punches but Pavlik is also accurate like Monzon, but other than a few little differences i can't believe people can't see the similarities..........

There both big Middleweights, there both accurate punches, there best weapon is setting up the right hand with there jab, there both robotic, there both slow hand speed wise, and there offense is almost the same, they both rarely throw uppercuts or hooks instead they like straight lazer like punches straight down the pipe........

And you say Carlos Monzon was a slow starter but that wasn't always the case, what about when he destroyed Nino Benvenuti in the rematch ? or when he took apart Jose Angel Napoles ? he was constantly moving forwards and making the smaller Napoles fight on the backfoot right from the get go. And he threw plenty of punches in that fight from what i remember, and beat the smaller Napoles to a pulp.

One last thing i agree Pavlik has a bit more variety in his punches than Monzon, but he still relies alot on the jab, right hand combo. Exactly like Carlos Monzon did.