Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!

[ICB]

Nobody here is saying he has skill, but everyone here besides you, sees that he has "World Class Power". I say his power is world class let's look at your list then and pull out the fighters at 168 so we are not comparing apples to oranges.

Mikkel Kessler - accumulative power
Carl Froch - valid
Edison Miranda - valid
Librado Andrade - accumulative power
Lucian Bute - accumulative power
Zuniga - I'd say equal to

Well if that's what we're comparing to I don't see how you can say he doesn't have "World Class Power"

Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.

Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.

Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.

Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.

You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80

How can you deny this power?

Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.

[ICB]

Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.

Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.

Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.

Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.

You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80

How can you deny this power?

Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.

Anyways im off for tonight good debate folks, we'll debate this more tomorrow if you can handle it

[Spicoli]

If you really want to grimace,find Mendoza's 1st round KO fight of then touted prospect Tukombu (?) Olajide a number of years back.....He caught him with a huge right hook (?) and Olajide just collapsed.The bad part was he broke his ankle in a 90 degree angel on live TV,It was truly gruesome to see.

[JT Rock]

Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..

Kessler? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching

He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..

You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic

[ICB]

Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..

Kessler? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching

He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..

You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic

I think whats ridiculous here is now your trying to insult me, because this thread involves your favorite fighter Jeff Lacy. And because i don't agree with you now i go to any lengths to win a debate and now im ridiculous ?

Not once have i tried to put down Jeff Lacy or Mendoza's punching power, i just didn't think Mendoza has the kind of power which you guys seem to think he has. For one you guys except for Spicoli, have barely seen any of Mendoza's fights, so i would love to know how you would know he has 1 punch world class power.

Secondly i admitted i had only seen few of his fights, but from what i see. He doesn't plant his feet into his shots, he mostly throw's arm punches especially with the right hook which is mostly a slapping punch, and the only real punch he actually seemed to be effective with is the uppercut in the Jeff Lacy fight.

Certainly not what i would class as a "World class 1 punch KO puncher"

[JT Rock]

Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..

Kessler? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching

He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..

You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic

I think whats ridiculous here is now your trying to insult me, because this thread involves your favorite fighter Jeff Lacy. And because i don't agree with you now i go to any lengths to win a debate and now im ridiculous ?

Not once have i tried to put down Jeff Lacy or Mendoza's punching power, i just didn't think Mendoza has the kind of power which you guys seem to think he has. For one you guys except for Spicoli, have barely seen any of Mendoza's fights, so i would love to know how you would know he has 1 punch world class power.

Secondly i admitted i had only seen few of his fights, but from what i see. He doesn't plant his feet into his shots, he mostly throw's arm punches especially with the right hook which is mostly a slapping punch, and the only real punch he actually seemed to be effective with is the uppercut in the Jeff Lacy fight.

Certainly not what i would class as a "World class 1 punch KO puncher"

NO ICE has nothing to to with Lacy.. its just your style of how you go about things, Im not the only one who notices or comment on things.. Its a fact that you are wildly inconsistent in your analysis from one thread to the next. Whatever will advance your argument is what you will do whether its fact or opinion or just a lie(Which you have admited to doing) You never concede a thing to anyone rather you will google, boxrec more until you make the entire forums head spin and they just throw there hands up.. Vintage ICB

Just because you dont like Mendozas punch technique and it looks to you like a slap, dosent change the results of what he actually is.. A damn hard puncher that can put anyone out at 168-175.. END OF!!!

[ICB]

Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..

Kessler? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching

He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..

You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic

I think whats ridiculous here is now your trying to insult me, because this thread involves your favorite fighter Jeff Lacy. And because i don't agree with you now i go to any lengths to win a debate and now im ridiculous ?

Not once have i tried to put down Jeff Lacy or Mendoza's punching power, i just didn't think Mendoza has the kind of power which you guys seem to think he has. For one you guys except for Spicoli, have barely seen any of Mendoza's fights, so i would love to know how you would know he has 1 punch world class power.

Secondly i admitted i had only seen few of his fights, but from what i see. He doesn't plant his feet into his shots, he mostly throw's arm punches especially with the right hook which is mostly a slapping punch, and the only real punch he actually seemed to be effective with is the uppercut in the Jeff Lacy fight.

Certainly not what i would class as a "World class 1 punch KO puncher"

NO ICE has nothing to to with Lacy.. its just your style of how you go about things, Im not the only one who notices or comment on things.. Its a fact that you are wildly inconsistent in your analysis from one thread to the next. Whatever will advance your argument is what you will do whether its fact or opinion or just a lie(Which you have admited to doing) You never concede a thing to anyone rather you will google, boxrec more until you make the entire forums head spin and they just throw there hands up.. Vintage ICB

Just because you dont like Mendozas punch technique and it looks to you like a slap, dosent change the results of what he actually is.. A damn hard puncher that can put anyone out at 168-175.. END OF!!!

JT one thing i first must point out which you do bring up from time to time, that debate we had about the debates we used to have on the hidden boards. Was explained to you by me and Bilbo.

I was given a subject to debate like at school, and your personal feelings or no matter what you believe. Doesn't really matter your just supposed to debate the subject and win it which i did, i did somewhat lie because not everything i was saying i actually believed, but i did not give Brucelee any twisted facts or etc.

But as i said it doesn't really matter if i believed it or not, i was given the subject not out of choice. Brucelee picked the subject so i debated it just like you would when you was at school. But at no other time on the main board have i lied about what i believe in a debate, if i don't know much about a certain subject i just don't bother posting in the thread end of.

Regarding Mendoza again i never stated he wasn't a good puncher, i have said time and time again he was a good puncher. Considering he has seriously technical flaws, but because he has those flaws he isn't getting his full power into the shots, because he doesn't turn his hips, plant his feet, or get his bodyweight into the shots. Its got nothing to do with disliking Mendoza, and i actually don't dislike Mendoza. And why would i ? he hasn't done anything wrong from what i heard, i was just giving honest opinion on him. But he certainly isn't a world class puncher IMO, and again i would love to know how you would know he is, because i've doubt you seen more than 2 fights of his.

Lastly i don't know the people who have been noticing my *inconsistency*, but i don't change my opinions from one thread to the other, i may change my opinion on a certain fighter after a certain amount of time. Just like you have regarding Antonio Margarito, but i don't see why thats *inconsistent*. People are allowed to change there opinion, and if these so called *people* have a problem with my opinions or *inconsistency* as you put it, then they should straight up tell me about. And not discuss about it with other members in a PM, which im assuming has happened.

[leftylee]

Both Lacy and Mendoza are bums end of. Mendoza may be a good puncher. But he is a bum end of. He's not even a contender. I had to look on boxrec to see who he was when Jeff Lacy was fighting him.

And as for Bilbo Lacy got SLAPPED by Calzaghe and went down from a slap. Calzaghe doesn't punch properly due to his bad hands.

[JT Rock]

Both Lacy and Mendoza are bums end of. Mendoza may be a good puncher. But he is a bum end of. He's not even a contender. I had to look on boxrec to see who he was when Jeff Lacy was fighting him.

And as for Bilbo Lacy got SLAPPED by Calzaghe and went down from a slap. Calzaghe doesn't punch properly due to his bad hands.

I find it funny when teenagers who would prolly fall thru there own arsehole scared when confronted by a Bona Fied Pro Fighter, can be so disrespectful and throw around the word bum so loosely

[The Fightfan]

Taylor will probably come in a little cold being he hasn't fought since Feb and that is Lacy's big oppurtunity. The added weight and raw power from Lacy could stop Taylor early. Another thing Taylor doesn't fight well backing up where as Lacy is always coming forward this to could give Taylor problems. If Taylor get's going early and just boxes for twelve rounds he could beat Lacy. I don't think Taylor is ready for the pressure of a raw Lacy or a knock down drag 'em out fight. I am going with Lacy on this one.

[hfahrenheit]

I don't think Taylor is ready for the pressure of a raw Lacy or a knock down drag 'em out fight. I am going with Lacy on this one.

Granted, i'm a taylor fan, but i think the JT of the Hopkins fights and Pavlik2 will be too much for anything Lacy brings... if you'll recall, JT pressured the hell out of Hopkins in the first fight. Maybe he's cold, but i'm hoping he still has the fire. the best JT easily beats the best Lacy ever was.

[killersheep]

Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.

Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.

Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.

Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.

You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80

How can you deny this power?

Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.

I don't get what he'd have to show to prove he has "world class power" then, did you need to see Williams head explode or something?

[kingfrnk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80

How can you deny this power?

Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.

I don't get what he'd have to show to prove he has "world class power" then, did you need to see Williams head explode or something?

OMG! the funniest post i ever read LOLOLOLOL. Really i cant stop laughing