Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!

[Gandalf]

Ah, what a funny thread.

I should really be writing my essay. But you all keep on posting here. Very entertaining!

[ICB]

Well Edison Miranda and Sam Peter have never KO'd anyone decent, so they obviously can't punch. Valero only name KO was against the little known Mosquera so he must be regarded as as powder puff as well until he KO's a top level genuine great right?


Anyway onto the fight, I agree with the majority that the odds are heavily stacked against Jeff Lacy for this one, he's clearly not been at his best since the Calzaghe loss.

But I'm a HUGE Jeff Lacy fan, love his heart, his passion and his honesty. In fact he's the only American fighter that get that same kind of passionate pride like I do my favourite English fighters.

He's one of the few fighters I want to see suceed on a personal level before a boxing one.

So even though most have already counted him out, I'll be staying up late to support my boy, whooping, hollaring and yahooing at my monitor screen the whole time.

Between now and Christmas he's probably the one fighter who I want to win more than any other, simply because everyone is discounting him and calling him shot. No fighter in the sport has more courage than Jeff Lacy inside the ring and he will give it 100% for 12 full rounds.

Taylor has much the better pedigree but he does lack self belief himself at times, and unlike Jeff takes time off. I expect Taylor to control the fight early and if Jeff comes at him it may suit him and he could even take Jeff apart. But there is a chance imo that Taylor starts to fade down the stretch and if the fight is in the balance down the final third of the fight I can guarantee that Lacy will be working overtime to try and finish the fight on top.

I'll say this much, if this fight is close going into the 10th round I'd put my house on Jeff Lacy winning the last 2 rounds. He's got more heart than any other American fighter imo and I can see Taylor mentally wilting in the 11th and 12th rounds if the fight is close and Lacy winning by a razor thin split decision. That will be good enough for me

Edison Miranda stopped iron chinned Howard Eastman who had never been stopped, and showed his power against higher quality opposition. Samuel Peter stopped Oleg Maskaev and again has showed his power against higher quality opposition, but i believe Samuel Peter's power is overratted aswell. I don't need to tell you about Edwin Valero you know the answer yourself.

And did you read what i said Bilbo ? i said he could punch i never said he couldn't, i was merely replying to Killersheep's comment of Mendoza hits incredibly hard. Which i disagreed with so i pointed out why he wasn't a world class puncher, and also pointed out why his power was made too look good against Jeff Lacy, because Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter.

Actually the referee stopped Howard Eastman Miranda didn't he was still fighting back when it was stopped

Maskaev is notoriously chinny having been ko'd several times including one round demolitions.

Finally Mendoza rocked Lacy (who UNQUESTIONABLLY has an iron chin seeing as he took over 1000 flush punches from Calzaghe) like no man had ever rocked him before.

Calzaghe even after a 12 round assualt didn't have hurt Lacy as much as Mendoza did when he connected.

The guy hits HARD I don't even know why you are trying to argue against it

There is no shame in being hurt by a big puncher. And a puncher doesn't need to have KO'd great fighters to be considered to hit hard.

Look at Henry Cooper, mediocre record but he came close then anyone else in history to KO'ing a prime Ali, you can't tell me that Big Henry couldn't bang just because he had no wins over greats on his resume

Bilbo first off Jeff Lacy never took 1000 flush punches off Joe Calzaghe thats a myth, he landed not even half that amount i don't think according to the stats.

Jeff Lacy was also rocked by a non puncher like Vitali Tsypko which proves, his punch resistance is very shaky lately.

Im putting this in bold considering people keep saying, im saying Mendoza can't hit hard. I said he isn't a world class puncher, i never said he couldn't hit.

[killersheep]

Mendoza hasn't got 1 punch KO power i don't why you believe that. But i think Mikkel Kessler, Carl Froch, Edison Miranda, Alejandro Berrio, Librado Andrade, Lucian Bute, Fulgencio Zuniga, all have strong cases for being bigger punchers than Mendoza. And heres a 40 fighters who i consider harder punchers than Mendoza.

Kelly Pavlik
Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao
Roman Gonzalez
David Haye
Wladimir Klitschko
Samuel Peter
Mikke Kessler
Kelly Pavlik
Antonio Tarver
Arthur Abraham
Andre Berto
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Ricardo Torres
Edwin Valero
Juan Manuel Lopez
Rafael Marquez
Carl Froch
Daniel Ponce De Leon
Edison Miranda
Jhonny Gonzalez
Vic Darchinyan
Enzo Maccarinelli
Ulises Solis
Librado Andrade
Breidis Prescott
Hugo Fidel Cazares
Kermit Cintron
Joel Casamayor
Shane Mosley
Vitali Klitschko
Alexander Povetkin
O'Neil Bell
Herbie Hide
Lucian Bute
Fulgencio Zuniga
Joel Julio
Yuriokris Gamboa
James Kirkland
Victor Ortiz

Theres about 40 fighters who all hit harder than Mendoza, few only about 6 fighters on that list you could argue against.

I believe that he has one punch ko power, because he has knocked many opponents out with one punch. There are some genuine power punchers in your list, no doubt, but many are accumalative punchers. Just admit Mendoza has real power, it's ok.

I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.

Nobody here is saying he has skill, but everyone here besides you, sees that he has "World Class Power". I say his power is world class let's look at your list then and pull out the fighters at 168 so we are not comparing apples to oranges.

Mikkel Kessler - accumulative power
Carl Froch - valid
Edison Miranda - valid
Librado Andrade - accumulative power
Lucian Bute - accumulative power
Zuniga - I'd say equal to

Well if that's what we're comparing to I don't see how you can say he doesn't have "World Class Power"

[ICB]

Oh dear god .luv u long time but Yeh,Im sure Jhonny could drop Lacy if he caught him as well All of those strike me as more refind & schooled hitters than Mendoza but raw power is raw power.

I agree with you no way 124 pounds of Mendoza drops 170+ pounds of Jeff Lacy

And as for your other comment Mendoza never dropped Lacy so whats your pount ?

Save for a tackle,Lacy was down and stunned very badly.

I don't remember Jeff Lacy being KD what round was this ?

[killersheep]

I agree with you no way 124 pounds of Mendoza drops 170+ pounds of Jeff Lacy

And as for your other comment Mendoza never dropped Lacy so whats your pount ?

Save for a tackle,Lacy was down and stunned very badly.

I don't remember Jeff Lacy being KD what round was this ?

He wasn't knocked down, but he was so ready to fall he tackled Mendoza to avoid it. If memory serves correct it was somewhere between the 6th and 8th round.

[ICB]

I believe that he has one punch ko power, because he has knocked many opponents out with one punch. There are some genuine power punchers in your list, no doubt, but many are accumalative punchers. Just admit Mendoza has real power, it's ok.

I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.

Nobody here is saying he has skill, but everyone here besides you, sees that he has "World Class Power". I say his power is world class let's look at your list then and pull out the fighters at 168 so we are not comparing apples to oranges.

Mikkel Kessler - accumulative power
Carl Froch - valid
Edison Miranda - valid
Librado Andrade - accumulative power
Lucian Bute - accumulative power
Zuniga - I'd say equal to

Well if that's what we're comparing to I don't see how you can say he doesn't have "World Class Power"

Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.

Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.

Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.

Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.

You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.

[Spicoli]

I agree with you no way 124 pounds of Mendoza drops 170+ pounds of Jeff Lacy

And as for your other comment Mendoza never dropped Lacy so whats your pount ?

Save for a tackle,Lacy was down and stunned very badly.

I don't remember Jeff Lacy being KD what round was this ?

Check u-tube .He was stunned up badly along the ropes late,I want to say with an uppercut,and was reduced to literally tackeling Mendoza to save himself.Very ugly and he admitted as much in the post fight interview.Pretty honest dude.Not sure if the WNF Espn thread had a RBR but its around.

[ICB]

Looks like im a bit outnumbered here against JT, Bilbo, Spicoli, Sheep

[killersheep]

I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.

Nobody here is saying he has skill, but everyone here besides you, sees that he has "World Class Power". I say his power is world class let's look at your list then and pull out the fighters at 168 so we are not comparing apples to oranges.

Mikkel Kessler - accumulative power
Carl Froch - valid
Edison Miranda - valid
Librado Andrade - accumulative power
Lucian Bute - accumulative power
Zuniga - I'd say equal to

Well if that's what we're comparing to I don't see how you can say he doesn't have "World Class Power"

Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.

Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.

Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.

Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.

You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80

How can you deny this power?

[ICB]

Nobody here is saying he has skill, but everyone here besides you, sees that he has "World Class Power". I say his power is world class let's look at your list then and pull out the fighters at 168 so we are not comparing apples to oranges.

Mikkel Kessler - accumulative power
Carl Froch - valid
Edison Miranda - valid
Librado Andrade - accumulative power
Lucian Bute - accumulative power
Zuniga - I'd say equal to

Well if that's what we're comparing to I don't see how you can say he doesn't have "World Class Power"

Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.

Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.

Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.

Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.

You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80

How can you deny this power?

Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.

[ICB]

Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.

Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.

Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.

Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.

You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80

How can you deny this power?

Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.

Anyways im off for tonight good debate folks, we'll debate this more tomorrow if you can handle it

[killersheep]

Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.

Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.

Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.

Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.

You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80

How can you deny this power?

Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.

I don't get what he'd have to show to prove he has "world class power" then, did you need to see Williams head explode or something?

[Spicoli]

If you really want to grimace,find Mendoza's 1st round KO fight of then touted prospect Tukombu (?) Olajide a number of years back.....He caught him with a huge right hook (?) and Olajide just collapsed.The bad part was he broke his ankle in a 90 degree angel on live TV,It was truly gruesome to see.

[JT Rock]

Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..

Kessler? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching

He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..

You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic

[ICB]

Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..

Kessler? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching

He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..

You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic

I think whats ridiculous here is now your trying to insult me, because this thread involves your favorite fighter Jeff Lacy. And because i don't agree with you now i go to any lengths to win a debate and now im ridiculous ?

Not once have i tried to put down Jeff Lacy or Mendoza's punching power, i just didn't think Mendoza has the kind of power which you guys seem to think he has. For one you guys except for Spicoli, have barely seen any of Mendoza's fights, so i would love to know how you would know he has 1 punch world class power.

Secondly i admitted i had only seen few of his fights, but from what i see. He doesn't plant his feet into his shots, he mostly throw's arm punches especially with the right hook which is mostly a slapping punch, and the only real punch he actually seemed to be effective with is the uppercut in the Jeff Lacy fight.

Certainly not what i would class as a "World class 1 punch KO puncher"